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"Thomas Aquinas believed that the woman's womb was nothing but a repository for the male semen, which contained the germ of life."

He may have believed that it was a repository for this which it is but he did not believe that this is all a woman is. You enjoy putting down past Doctors of the church and past teaching of the Church because you think you are so much more sophisticated than they are and you are the enlightened one.

This is what Pius X had to say in Pacendi after describing apostolic and and ecclesiastical traditions of the Catholic Church , #42 "The Modernists pass the same judgment on the most holy Fathers of the Church as they pass on tradition; decreeing, with amazing effrontery that, while personally most worthy of all veneration, they were entirely ignorant of history and criticism, for which they are only excusable on account of the time in which they lived."


I am worried by the Blessed Virgin's messages to Lucy of Fatima. The Persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the suicide in altering the Faith, in Her Liturgy, Her Theology, Her Soul.......I hear around me innovators who wish to dismantle the Sacred Chapel, destroy the universal flame of the Church, reject Her ornaments and make Her feel remorse for Her historical past.
A day will come when the civilized world will deny its God, when the Church will doubt as Peter doubted. She will be tempted to believe that man has become God. In our churches, Christians will search in vain for the red lamp where God awaits them. Like Mary Magdalene, weeping before the empty tomb, they will ask, "Where have they taken Him?"
Said by Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli, Papal Secretary of State to Pope Pius XI upon investigating the message of Fatima. qtd. in Roche, Pie XII Devant L'Histoire p. 52 and 53 .He later was elected as Pope Pius XII. (Hasn’t Pope John Paul II felt ‘remorse for the Church’s past when when he appologized for his predecessor’s and their policies??)

"Because the inhabitants of New Babylon have outdone all ancients in cruelty, Gods remembrance will lay upon them all crimes committed against His people in all ages. According to the Greek text, the sins of Babylon have been ‘fastened on to heaven. Heaven is the Church, and the clause may man that the wicked inhabitants of the city have imputed their own sins to the Church and have accused her of every perversity of which they are guilty themselves or have blamed her for the punishment received, just the ancient pagans blamed the Christians for every calamity A greater guilt than merely committing sin, no matter how whole. heartedly, is to impute one's own sins or mistakes to another and treat him as the culprit. They call sin virtue, and virtue Sin, Such meaning would fit better into the context, and the succeed. ing verse would follow logically from this meaning. (See Zach,
XIV.5).THE BOOK OF DESTINY by Fr. Herman B. Kramer p. 409-410. This is starting to happen already but it will be full blown at a certain point in time.

Satan will probably through the evil world-powers of the time exercise such tyranny over the Church as to leave the clergy the alternative of submission to the government or martyrdom by death or imprisonment and will enforce the acceptance of unchristian, morals, false doctrines, compromise with error, or obedience to the civil rulers in violation of conscience.....The text suggests a use of the apostate clergy, after their own defection, in persecuting the Church. .THE BOOK OF DESTINY by Fr. Herman B. Kramer p p.280

“In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the GREAT apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”
... Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, Pope John Paul II's personal papal theologian, quoted in the journal Catholic, March 2002


Are you a big fan of Teilhard de Chardin??? You never did answer that one.


403 posted on 09/02/2004 2:11:19 PM PDT by pro Athanasius
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To: pro Athanasius
Thomas Aquinas was one of those pre-VII monsters, and, therefore eeeeeeeeevil to the core. Why should we consider what that rigid Neanderthal had to say when we are having a gay old time in this new springtime of the Church?
405 posted on 09/02/2004 2:16:54 PM PDT by broadsword (Let's respect "holy" Muslim sites like they respected those giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan!)
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To: pro Athanasius
I ask you to review dsc's posts and views on this subject. He and I agree.

I've never read a single word of Teilhard de Chardin.

There is nothing "modernist" about the well-established scientific proof of evolution.

406 posted on 09/02/2004 3:05:52 PM PDT by sinkspur ("What's the point in being Pope if I can't wear the tiara?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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