[JHavard]

Lets talk about what the church actually says rather than what it could POSSIBLY say? None of these are even though about by the Church.

I believe me Ferrara, is just sending up the Vatican's trial balloon, and as usual your legal staff has worded everything to where there is never a statement made by the hierarchy or the Magisterium, that can't be denied or obfuscated.

As usual, some RC’s will defend the new Catholic position and some will deny it. Then as time goes by, they will all decide that rather then risk the responsibility of answering to God for their own personal beliefs, it’s safer to let the Church take the responsibility.

Mt 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Every man is going to answer for himself, and he won’t be asked who’s script he followed, but what did he believe from his own study, and how the Holy Spirit led him to what he finally believed.

JH :’)

[Dominick]

I believe me Ferrara, is just sending up the Vatican's trial balloon, and as usual your legal staff has worded everything to where there is never a statement made by the hierarchy or the Magisterium, that can't be denied or obfuscated.

Is there a statement in there?

I would not think Ferrara could send up any trial balloon. This isn't even a new position by the Vatican. It also doesn't conflict with Genesis.

What I see and what I understand are two different things, I could never devise a scientific test for consecration of any sort, but I know it happens with the eyes of Faith.