Posted on 08/12/2004 5:57:08 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA
I am NOT elevatng Mary to GOD! I know exactly what position Mary has in the Catholic Church.
She credits God as her Saviour because she spared her from original sin!
Well put L-rd !
Open the eyes of the unbelievers to Your Word !
Thank you HarleyD !
a bondslave to the Christ
chuck
No she didn't say that in Luke 1. Realize what you are saying - that it is possible to be forgiven all your sins outside of the attoning death of Christ on the Cross. Remember what Christ said to the Pharasees "Unless you believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins".
1) Jesus was refering to Himself as GOD ("I AM").
2) Jesus is warning the Pharasees of the ultimate penalty.
3) Jesus is saying that this is conditional on your believing in Him.
If you put your faith in anyone else, but Christ, you will die in your sins. Do you believe that?
I invite you to prove me wrong.
I would suggest that before saying things like I think what is happening here...... you should probably actually *learn* about what you claim you think you know. Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.
Also, before quoting versus from a bible, please understand two things...
1) As 2 Peter 3:16 warns us about private interpretation, we Catholics depend on the authority given the church by God to infallibly interpret certain "hard to be understood" scriptures, in particular that She (the church) is our authority in interpreting and promulgating all that is said in scripture in regards to this particular discussion.
2) Non-Catholics do not read from the same bible as Catholics do. Not only are there several different instances of essentially different meanings to identical scripture, there are 7 less books in the non-catholic bibles....makes one wonder how anyone can live solo scriptura when scriptura lacks 7 whole books.
There are many versus I could reference but I have always loved this one, so, for the sake of fellowship, I will offer this one: John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.
To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.
Are you in Tampa? I was born in Stuart, on the east side of the state.
Stay dry and safe. I'm continually amazed at the awesomeness of God's creation and how He uses it to remind us of our limitations.
BTTT of the Feast of the Assumption, 08-15-04!
It is important to remember that in Catholic dogma Mary is not sinless because of her own merits but because by the special merit and Grace of Jesus she was preserved from original sin at the very moment of her conception. In Mary we see the promises of Jesus' grace fullfilled. Think of the Assumption as a preview of the Rapture.
God bless.
Thanks. Yesterday was a wonderful day of remembering that she has gone before us not only to model perfect discipleship, but to show us what awaits us when we come Home.
To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.
So either Christ is "The Way the Truth and the Life" or Mary is. Which is the truth? Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.
It is no mistake to put ones faith in Christ, it results in being forgiven, given Eternal life and having an Eternal inheritance. Only Christ gives this and so much more.
There seems to be an obvious conflict between the Ecc. verse and that in the Gospel of John. I don't possibly see any means of reconciling them. So who should I choose? Mary or Christ as my Savior? I think Mary in the Magnificat, saying 'She rejoices in God my Savior' is the Answer. Further examination of Ecc. 24:25 vs the Gospel of John shows further irreconcilable differences:
"The Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth by Jesus Christ". So again a conflict - either grace comes by Jesus Christ or by Mary.
I think you know that I have put my faith in Christ, in His attoning blood for my sins and His promise of Eternal life. There are no other grounds before God. I recommend the same to you.
Not wishing to participate in any flame wars, having presented the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. I say farewell.
BTTT, Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15, 2005!
:) Thanks, Salvation!
BTTT on the Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15, 2006!
:)
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