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The Fourth Glorious Mystery
Christ or Chaos ^ | August 11, 2004 | Thomas A. Droleskey

Posted on 08/12/2004 5:57:08 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA

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To: sr4402

I am NOT elevatng Mary to GOD! I know exactly what position Mary has in the Catholic Church.


81 posted on 08/13/2004 10:51:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: sr4402
For she says "and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior" Luke 1:47.

She credits God as her Saviour because she spared her from original sin!

82 posted on 08/13/2004 10:57:02 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: HarleyD
Jesus' response to the first Catholic:

"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it." Luke 11:27-28

Blessings to you OP in this stormy weather.

78 posted on 08/13/2004 8:52:17 AM MDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))

Well put L-rd !


Open the eyes of the unbelievers to Your Word !


Thank you HarleyD !


a bondslave to the Christ

chuck

83 posted on 08/13/2004 11:27:41 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua == YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
OP,
You live in the Keys!?
You lucky dog...er, not this week. Prayers for everyone's safety.
84 posted on 08/13/2004 11:29:56 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Pyro7480
She credits God as her Saviour because she spared her from original sin!

No she didn't say that in Luke 1. Realize what you are saying - that it is possible to be forgiven all your sins outside of the attoning death of Christ on the Cross. Remember what Christ said to the Pharasees "Unless you believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins".

1) Jesus was refering to Himself as GOD ("I AM").
2) Jesus is warning the Pharasees of the ultimate penalty.
3) Jesus is saying that this is conditional on your believing in Him.

If you put your faith in anyone else, but Christ, you will die in your sins. Do you believe that?

85 posted on 08/13/2004 11:43:15 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Stubborn
Thats a typical misunderstanding that all non catholics have and in no way reflects what catholics believe.

I invite you to prove me wrong.

86 posted on 08/13/2004 11:53:40 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Well, I really do not see any point in arguing, all that ever does is turn into flame wars.

I would suggest that before saying things like I think what is happening here...... you should probably actually *learn* about what you claim you think you know. Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.

Also, before quoting versus from a bible, please understand two things...

1) As 2 Peter 3:16 warns us about private interpretation, we Catholics depend on the authority given the church by God to infallibly interpret certain "hard to be understood" scriptures, in particular that She (the church) is our authority in interpreting and promulgating all that is said in scripture in regards to this particular discussion.

2) Non-Catholics do not read from the same bible as Catholics do. Not only are there several different instances of essentially different meanings to identical scripture, there are 7 less books in the non-catholic bibles....makes one wonder how anyone can live solo scriptura when scriptura lacks 7 whole books.

There are many versus I could reference but I have always loved this one, so, for the sake of fellowship, I will offer this one: John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.

To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.

87 posted on 08/13/2004 1:09:56 PM PDT by Stubborn ( O clemens, o pia, o dulcis Virgo Maria!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Are you in Tampa? I was born in Stuart, on the east side of the state.


88 posted on 08/13/2004 2:41:47 PM PDT by irishtenor (Taglines are the bonus at the end of the message :>))
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Stay dry and safe. I'm continually amazed at the awesomeness of God's creation and how He uses it to remind us of our limitations.


89 posted on 08/13/2004 4:52:33 PM PDT by RochesterFan (Proud to be a FR Calvinist - but wary: we're on the endangered species list...)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

BTTT of the Feast of the Assumption, 08-15-04!


90 posted on 08/15/2004 8:08:09 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Revelation 911

It is important to remember that in Catholic dogma Mary is not sinless because of her own merits but because by the special merit and Grace of Jesus she was preserved from original sin at the very moment of her conception. In Mary we see the promises of Jesus' grace fullfilled. Think of the Assumption as a preview of the Rapture.
God bless.


91 posted on 08/15/2004 11:11:16 AM PDT by lastchance
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To: Salvation

Thanks. Yesterday was a wonderful day of remembering that she has gone before us not only to model perfect discipleship, but to show us what awaits us when we come Home.


92 posted on 08/16/2004 5:52:56 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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To: Stubborn
There are many versus I could reference but I have always loved this one, so, for the sake of fellowship, I will offer this one: John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.

To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.

So either Christ is "The Way the Truth and the Life" or Mary is. Which is the truth? Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.

It is no mistake to put ones faith in Christ, it results in being forgiven, given Eternal life and having an Eternal inheritance. Only Christ gives this and so much more.

There seems to be an obvious conflict between the Ecc. verse and that in the Gospel of John. I don't possibly see any means of reconciling them. So who should I choose? Mary or Christ as my Savior? I think Mary in the Magnificat, saying 'She rejoices in God my Savior' is the Answer. Further examination of Ecc. 24:25 vs the Gospel of John shows further irreconcilable differences:

"The Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth by Jesus Christ". So again a conflict - either grace comes by Jesus Christ or by Mary.

I think you know that I have put my faith in Christ, in His attoning blood for my sins and His promise of Eternal life. There are no other grounds before God. I recommend the same to you.

Not wishing to participate in any flame wars, having presented the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. I say farewell.

93 posted on 08/16/2004 8:30:32 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Convert from ECUSA

BTTT, Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15, 2005!


94 posted on 08/15/2005 8:37:34 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

:) Thanks, Salvation!


95 posted on 08/15/2005 9:24:50 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

BTTT on the Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15, 2006!


96 posted on 08/15/2006 8:50:57 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

:)


97 posted on 08/15/2006 10:12:26 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Olmert - Israel's Laval)
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