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To: sr4402
Well, I really do not see any point in arguing, all that ever does is turn into flame wars.

I would suggest that before saying things like I think what is happening here...... you should probably actually *learn* about what you claim you think you know. Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.

Also, before quoting versus from a bible, please understand two things...

1) As 2 Peter 3:16 warns us about private interpretation, we Catholics depend on the authority given the church by God to infallibly interpret certain "hard to be understood" scriptures, in particular that She (the church) is our authority in interpreting and promulgating all that is said in scripture in regards to this particular discussion.

2) Non-Catholics do not read from the same bible as Catholics do. Not only are there several different instances of essentially different meanings to identical scripture, there are 7 less books in the non-catholic bibles....makes one wonder how anyone can live solo scriptura when scriptura lacks 7 whole books.

There are many versus I could reference but I have always loved this one, so, for the sake of fellowship, I will offer this one: John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.

To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.

87 posted on 08/13/2004 1:09:56 PM PDT by Stubborn ( O clemens, o pia, o dulcis Virgo Maria!)
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To: Stubborn
There are many versus I could reference but I have always loved this one, so, for the sake of fellowship, I will offer this one: John 14:6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father but by me.

To which Saint Alphonsus Maria de Liguori analogizes our Blessed Mother with referencing Ecc. 24:25 In me is all grace of the way and of the truth, in me is all hope of life and of virtue.

So either Christ is "The Way the Truth and the Life" or Mary is. Which is the truth? Not trying to insult anyone but on this particular subject, if you learn all you can, or even put forth an ounce of honest effort, I am confident that you will never make that particular mistake again.

It is no mistake to put ones faith in Christ, it results in being forgiven, given Eternal life and having an Eternal inheritance. Only Christ gives this and so much more.

There seems to be an obvious conflict between the Ecc. verse and that in the Gospel of John. I don't possibly see any means of reconciling them. So who should I choose? Mary or Christ as my Savior? I think Mary in the Magnificat, saying 'She rejoices in God my Savior' is the Answer. Further examination of Ecc. 24:25 vs the Gospel of John shows further irreconcilable differences:

"The Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth by Jesus Christ". So again a conflict - either grace comes by Jesus Christ or by Mary.

I think you know that I have put my faith in Christ, in His attoning blood for my sins and His promise of Eternal life. There are no other grounds before God. I recommend the same to you.

Not wishing to participate in any flame wars, having presented the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. I say farewell.

93 posted on 08/16/2004 8:30:32 AM PDT by sr4402
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