Posted on 07/26/2004 1:57:27 PM PDT by Lasher
Would like to know if there are any other Christians out there that have not swallowed Rick Warren's version of the Gospel. I left my "seeker-friendly" Church after much prayer and ponder, and it took several months to make the split. I still must speak with my former pastor about this, so until I do, I will not name my former Church. I have noticed that most who follow the "Purpose Driven" material are emotionally attached to it, much like true Christians are emotionally tied to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
VERY GLAD WE AGREE ON THE ESSENTIALS OF THE FAITH.
I thought that WAS simple language. Rereading it, it appeared to me to be very simple language.
In terms of the accusing "why" . . .
Given books being my earliest friends . . . it's usually work for me to simplify my language unless I'm teaching Chinese students or counseling some sorts of people. I'm not sure why. But in those contexts, it seems easy and just flows. Otherwise, it's frustrating hard work--and evidently not always that successful. Sorry, I dowhat I can in the time and energy available.
Very well said.
Thanks.
You tell a falsehood about my point
AGAIN.
My point was that Rick Warren is and teaches and writes the OPPOSITE OF FLUFF.
He chose Scriptures that were the opposite of fluff Scriptures.
He made comments about those Scritpures that were the opposite of fluff comments.
It would be exceedingly more welcome if you would tell the truth about me and about what I say.
Fair enough. I was merely trying to say that just because one man is labelled similarly to others, it doesn't make him similar to them in any way, shape or form.
On a side note, Warrens book isn't the greatest Christian tome I have ever read, but I certainly would not call it insipid.
What would you correct about the PDL and PDC if you had the ability to change something?
Don,t tell me its 100% perfect.
If you do,I,ll know for sure that you are brainwashed.
What the heck? Rick Warren teaches a touchy feely, sinner centered, market driven philosophy and to his credit is very open about this. The unfortunate (and I would hope unintended) result is this review I heard from a nonbelieving friend: "The PDL is a great read for anyone who believes in a supreme power." That is not only unfortunate but St John would call it accomodating pagans and the beginning of heresy. Note that watering down the Gospel to make it more attractive to the world was something John the Beloved (St John to our Roman Catholic and Anglican friends) most strongly condemned in Revelations. The words in Rev 3 to the church at Pergamun would be the passage I refer to. Since you are SUCH an expert in Revelations, I will leave it to you to go ahead and read for yourself.
Not sure. I haven't been reading it with that attitude.
I lived most of my first 30 years or so very pharisaical, picky, negative, fault finding, critical, etc.
I really don't want to live there again.
I think, given his target audience, it's a pretty good book.
Given me, I'd likely intensify the punch in several places--or try to. But sometimes, as some significant research has shown--subtlty is MORE powerful than a DIRECT, intense punch. Especially so in matters of faith with some sorts of personalities.
For others, a hell-fire and brimstone message at the right time is more powerful. But most in our era consider such proof of being around the bend.
I really find that the criticisms of most of PDL to be carping about mostly chaff.
Given God's use of a donkey to speak prophetically, I am confident God easily uses PDL to great effect for the Kingdom--even as it is--flaws and all.
If, by the time I'm finished with it, I come up with significant paragraphs or sentences I might change, I'll try and remember to ping you.
Such carping is way overblown and misguided, imho.
***Such carping is way overblown and misguided, imho.***
Is that your expert opinion?
What flavor cool aid do you like?
I,m sure it,s the same flavor as everybody else brainwashed by the PDL PDC movement.
Heck,maybe someday there will be a PDL Bible.
Given your seemingly compulsive tendency to twist, distort, falsify
what I and others write . . .
I'm exceedingly more comfortable with my expert opinion than I am with yours.
Ahhhhh, so,
when the facts don't support your biases and wholesale distortions and exaggerations,
bring out the fiercely insulting koolaid assault.
Soooooooooooo Christlike.
I'm sure He's impressed.
***Christlike***
Much like the sarcasm you've been slinging on this thread. Very Christlike of you.
Nice witness Quixy!
AMEN!
That is exactly the problem, with each new ministry, there is more and more compromise of the truth.
Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein (Jer.6:16)
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