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To: narses

Here's a related report...
http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SU_Hildebran.html


14 posted on 07/18/2004 9:43:42 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena; narses; Maximilian; ultima ratio; sinkspur; St.Chuck; BlackElk; AAABEST; ...
Interesting article Ask St.Philomena links with in the post above. I think much of what Dr.von Hillebrandt says is very true,especially that the Church has lost it's sense of the supernatural,that the Church was infiltrated by communists with the help of secret societies and that Paul VI set up a situation which led to the dismal state we are now in,by appointing sympathetic bishops,who staffed the chancery offices with like minded men.

He really put the present Holy Father in a terrible position which he is only now beginning to address since the rot and corruption was wide and deep. It is only in his second generation appointments that he can finally have some confidence in their orthodoxy.

I also think she has identified the strengths and the weakness of the Tridentine Mass and manages to admix and assimilate what Ultima,Max and AAA say with what Sinkspur and St.Chuck say so that it all makes sense.

Do any of you have any points of agreement or disagreement with what Dr. Von Hillebrandt says?

I believe if we all speak the Truth,live the Truth and pray unceasingly,we will have a smaller,stronger,poorer and purer Church and that will be a blessing for man and pleasing to the God. I don't think it's going to take as much time as many think.

15 posted on 07/18/2004 11:59:34 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: saradippity; narses; thor76; AskStPhilomena
Alice Von Hildebrand: There have been two books published in Italy in recent years that confirm what my husband had been suspecting for some time; namely, that there has been a systematic infiltration of the Church by diabolical enemies for much of this century...

The two books I mentioned were published in 1998 and 2000 by an Italian priest, Don Luigi Villa of the diocese of Brescia, who at the request of Padre Pio has devoted many years of his life to the investigation of the possible infiltration of both Freemasons and Communists into the Church. My husband and I met Don Villa in the sixties. He claims that he does not make any statement that he cannot substantiate. When Paulo Sesto Beato? (1998) was published the book was sent to every single Italian bishop. None of them acknowledged receipt; none challenged any of Don Villa’s claims.

In this book, he relates something that no ecclesiastical authority has refuted or asked to be retracted – even though he names particular personalities in regard to the incident. It pertains to the rift between Pope Pius XII and the then Bishop Montini (the future Paul VI) who was his Undersecretary of State. Pius XII, conscious of the threat of Communism, which in the aftermath of World War II was dominating nearly half of Europe, had prohibited the Vatican staff from dealing with Moscow. To his dismay, he was informed one day through the Bishop of Upsala (Sweden) that his strict order had been contravened. The Pope resisted giving credence to this rumor until he was given incontrovertible evidence that Montini had been corresponding with various Soviet agencies. Meanwhile, Pope Pius XII (as had Pius XI) had been sending priests clandestinely into Russia to give comfort to Catholics behind the Iron Curtain. Every one of them had been systematically arrested, tortured, and either executed or sent to the gulag. Eventually a Vatican mole was discovered: Alighiero Tondi, S.J., who was a close advisor to Montini. Tondi was an agent working for Stalin whose mission was to keep Moscow informed about initiatives such as the sending of priests into the Soviet Union.

http://www.latinmassmagazine.com/articles/articles_2001_SU_Hildebran.html

18 posted on 07/19/2004 4:10:33 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: AskStPhilomena; saradippity
Excellent interview w. Alice von Hildebrand!

It is only in his second generation appointments that [the Pope] can finally have some confidence in their orthodoxy.

I agree that bishops have been improving, but there are a couple of things that puzzle me. First of all, they are not really of a different generation - many of the "bad" VatII bishops in the US were appointed when they were very, very young, and the "good" ones who are being appointed now are in many cases almost the same age as the others. In my diocese, for example, the new bishop was 67 when he was appointed, and is now 71 (which I believe is even older than some undeniably bad bishops, such as Mahoney). So I think there always were good candidates, but they were passed over.

Another factor may have been that the papal nuncio changed. He seems to be the one who makes the recommendations on appointments. Pio Laghi, who was the nuncio, was terrible, and I think the one before him was not much better. (I'm not sure who it is now, but he certainly seems to be making better recommendations.)

19 posted on 07/19/2004 4:26:01 AM PDT by livius
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