Alarm in Italy as growth of Satanism creates “market” for consecrated hosts

Catholic News Agency ^ | July 15, 2004

[NYer]

We HAVE to do OUR PART!!!!

Novena To Our Lady of Mount Carmel
July 16

First day

Second Day

Third Day

Fourth Day

Fifth Day

Sixth Day

Seventh Day

Eighth Day

Ninth Day

First Day

O Beautiful Flower of Carmel, most fruitful vine, splendor of heaven, holy and singular, who brought forth the Son of God, still ever remaining a pure virgin, assist us in our necessity! O Star of the Sea, help and protect us! Show us that you are our Mother!
(pause and mention petitions)

Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Second Day

Most Holy Mary, Our Mother, in your great love for us you gave us the Holy Scapular of Mount Carmel, having heard the prayers of your chosen son Saint Simon Stock. Help us now to wear it faithfully and with devotion. May it be a sign to us of our desire to grow in holiness.
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Third Day

O Queen of Heaven, you gave us the Scapular as an outward sign by which we might be known as your faithful children. may we always wear it with honor by avoiding sin and imitating your virtues. Help us to be faithful to this desire of ours.
(pause and mention petitions) s)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Fourth Day

When you gave us, Gracious Lady, the Scapular as our Habit, you called us to be not only servants, but also your own children.
We ask you to gain for us from your Son the grace to live as you children in joy, peace and love. (pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Fifth Day

O Mother of Fair Love, through your goodness, as your children, we are called to live in the spirit of Carmel. Help us to live in charity with one another, prayerful as Elijah of old, and mindful of our call to minister to God's people.
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Sixth Day

With loving provident care, O Mother Most Amiable, you covered us with your Scapular as a shield of defense against the Evil One.
Through your assistance, may we bravely struggle against the powers of evil, always open to your Son Jesus Christ.
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Seventh Day

O Mary, Help of Christians, you assured us that wearing your Scapular worthily would keep us safe from harm. Protect us in both body and soul with your continual aid. may all that we do be pleasing to your Son and to you.
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Eighth Day

You give us hope, O Mother of Mercy, that through your Scapular promise we might quickly pass through the fires of purgatory to the Kingdom of your Son. Be our comfort and our hope.
Grant that our hope may not be in vain but that, ever faithful to your Son and to you, we may speedily enjoy after death the blessed company of Jesus and the saints.
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

Ninth Day

O Most Holy Mother of Mount Carmel, when asked by a saint to grant privileges to the family of Carmel, you gave assurance of your Motherly love and help to those faithful to you and to your Son.
Behold us, your children.
We glory in wearing your holy habit, which makes us members of your family of Carmel, through which we shall have your powerful protection in life, at death and even after death.
Look down with love, O Gate of Heaven, on all those now in their last agony!
Look down graciously, O Virgin, Flower of Carmel, on all those in need of help!
Look down mercifully, O Mother of our Savior, on all those who do not know that they are numbered among your children.
Look down tenderly, O Queen of All Saints, on the poor souls!
(pause and mention petitions)

Say: Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, pray for us.

[drstevej]

***Just curious. Why wouldn't you re-use it? Or is this a function of how often you observe the Lord's Supper? If I remember correctly, Zwingli celebrated it four times a year.***

Zwingli did observe it quarterly. My previous church observed it weekly. My current church normally celebrates the Lord's Supper monthly.

There is, IMO, no theological reason to reuse the unused elements since we do not consider them other than symbols.

Using the elements that are left over the next month is not very practical and the cost savings are minimal. Therefore we discard them and use fresh elements at the next observance.

***Once a matzos, always a matzos :-)***

Abbreviated... OMAM which fits well with OSAS!

[drstevej]

Ping to post #22

[jboot]

Thanks for the ping. Does you church "pass the plates", or do you have a rail or other device for the congregation to receive?
Exactly once we had a service where the congregation formed a queue and recieved directly from the pastor. I enjoyed that very much. We have discussed doing this again, but there is a lot of resistance to the idea.

[pegleg]

Exactly once we had a service where the congregation formed a queue and recieved directly from the pastor.

By golly, that sounds downright Catholic :-)

We have discussed doing this again, but there is a lot of resistance to the idea.

Hmmmm. Any former Catholics in the congregation?

[dangus]

>>In statements published in the Catholic magazine Famiglia Cristiana, Fr. Buonaiuto explained that “a proliferation of cults exists which practice black masses, with the profanation of consecrated hosts, rape and torture...We know of cases of consensual vampirism, and also the assaulting of young people who have been drugged in the course of ritualistic orgies.” <<

So Kerry wasn't lying! It wasn't Botox!

[dangus]

>>As a non-Catholic I ask: Is there a distinctive mark placed upon the Host identifying it?<<

No, you cannot tell a consecrated host from an unconsecrated host. They are only distinguished by where and how they are stored.

[redgolum]

As It’s me stated, even the satanists know that the host is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ

I am just reporting what I know, which isn't how satanists view hosts. There was an instance a handful of years ago back in Nebraska where a number of churches were broken into, and one of the Lutheran pastors mentioned that the wine and wafers had been stolen. He was VERY upset, since he believed a cultic if not out and out satanist group did it. I think they also broke into a RCC, but the priest woke up and called the cops. This was over 10 years ago, so I the details are a bit hazy.

Is this a problem in the Orthodox churches MarMema?

[dangus]

>> However, ex-Satanists and priests who are familiar with Satanic cults claim that those deeply immersed in Satanism, especially Satanic priests, can pick a consecrated host among a group of non-consecrated ones. <<

I was just going to write that what is scary is that the Satanists must think that they have some way of knowing that a dealer's getting them bad stuff.

[NYer]

Jesus is no longer on the cross

"We remember your death, we proclaim your resurrection, we await your coming."

Jesus, in His birth, death and resurrection transforms, divinizes and completes humanity.

"You have united Your divinity with our humanity. You have joined Your Imortality with our mortality. You have taken what is ours and given us what is Yours for our life and salvation" (Maronite Liturgy).

[dangus]

>> As a Catholic I ask: Why don’t these satanic cults use the crackers from Protestant services?<<

Ahhh, pegleg, and now for the really scary question:

Satan conceals his presence in Christian nations, where he can accomplish more through trickery and suspicion than direct fear. Traditionally, exorcisms have been common only in mission territory. It is very chilling that he is now acting in the open in the heart of Christendom. The angels, good and bad, are shifting tactics and their play comes into the open.

[jboot]

Any former Catholics in the congregation?

Just a few. Most of the resistance comes from people with children who don't want to disturb them once they have quieted down for the service, and those who want to do things "the way they have always been done". We are a breakaway from the Southern Baptist Church, after all.

[pegleg]

We are a breakaway from the Southern Baptist Church, after all.

OK. I remember when I was a Southern Baptist we used to "pass the plate".

[MarMema]

Is this a problem in the Orthodox churches MarMema?

I did find this, which is also scary.

[pegleg]

The angels, good and bad, are shifting tactics and their play comes into the open.

Agreed. So what is the question? Or are you asking why this is happening now?

[bonaventura]

protestant traditionalists? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoron?

[pegleg]

I am just reporting what I know, which isn't how satanists view hosts.

This may be true for kids pulling pranks or "wannabe" Satanist. I don't believe this is the case for bona fide Satanists.

[redgolum]

It wasn't just "kids playing pranks". Some of the desecrations seemed to have specific targets (crosses, pictures of Jesus, etc). Were they card carrying members of the Church of Satan? I don't know.

How come when anyone descrates a Roman Catholic church, it is a direct attack from Satan, but when it is a non RC church, it is just "kids playing pranks".

[RnMomof7]

My best friend in the whole world is a devout Evangelical. Never once have I told her how to pray, and never once has she told me how to pray. I suggest you do the same.

I know. That was the kind of thing that prompted the reformation . We do hold different beliefs, pray as you will.

[redgolum]

If I sounded a bit hard, I apologize. At the time there was (and remains) quit a bit of tension about the incident. What happened still upsets me and I posted before thinking.