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To: NYer

***Roman Catholics take Jesus at His word: the bread is his body; the wine is his blood.***

Do you also believe Jesus is literally and physically a "door" or a "vine"?


91 posted on 07/14/2004 7:10:47 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus; drstevej; pegleg
***Roman Catholics take Jesus at His word: the bread is his body; the wine is his blood.***

Do you also believe Jesus is literally and physically a "door" or a "vine"?

"I am the bread of life." "I am the door" and "I am the vine" make sense as metaphors because Christ is like a door—we go to heaven through him—and he is also like a vine—we get our spiritual sap through him. But Christ takes John 6:35 far beyond symbolism by saying, "For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed" (John 6:55).

He continues: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me" (John 6:57). The Greek word used for "eats" (trogon) is very blunt and has the sense of "chewing" or "gnawing." This is not the language of metaphor.

Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.

(And now I have brought St. Paul into the discussion, at the point where his comments confirm Christ's words to his disciples.)

100 posted on 07/15/2004 12:37:28 AM PDT by NYer (When you have done something good, remember the words "without Me you can do nothing." (John 15:5).)
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