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I'm Catholic and I can honestly say I have never met a conservative Catholic who is politically liberal. I have, of course, met liberal leaning Catholics, but it is clearly reflected in their looser liturgical practices - people for whom hell isn't even on the radar screen.

I know that's not the portrayal of Catholics in the media, but it is my experience.

I consider myself a middle of the road Catholic, but I'm about as coservative politically as a person can get.

"Does this category of Christian really exist in significant numbers?"

Both political and theological liberalism are of and from Satan. This means that they are incompatible with conservatism in any form. It would be impossible to maintain such an imbalance for any protracted period of time.

If a person is in such a condition, it is transient. Either his liberal half is moving toward congruence with his conservative half, or his conservative half is moving toward congruence with his liberal half.

As Charles Caleb Colon said, “He that is good, will infallibly become better, and he that is bad, will as certainly become worse; for vice, virtue and time are three things that never stand still.”

"From my experience and as I said on a thread a while ago, I know they are the majority group of Asian Christians."

I'm sorry, but I'm a little skeptical of that. Perhaps we're not defining "conservative" Christian the same way.

There are plenty of sons of the devil who categorize the denominational institutions as identical with the Church, then infiltrate those denominations using social tactics, to later propogate human good and evil without any fellowship with God.

They are probably best discerned by understanding spirituality is remaining under the control of the Holy Spirit in one's thinking and then discerning the fruits of those who claim to represent the Church.

I've found many political conservatives have slipped out of fellowship with God, and are scarred by focusing their thinking on human good independent of divine righteousness. A good thing done in a wrong way is still wrong.

I've found those who succomb to Satan's cosmic system mature in unrighteousness beyond mere arrogance and acting independent of God, such as Christian activists and crusaders whom I describe above, and descend lower into what I identify most political liberals of relishing, namely rebellion and attacks upon anything created by God.

Nationality, Family, Marriage, and Volition are all divine institutions. Many conservatives will support those institutions, yet may remain very separate from fellowship with God. They are guilty of moral degeneracy. Many liberals begin and continue to erode those institutions, instead falling into an immoral degeneracy.

I have witnessed many liberals who are immorally degenerate, mature in their degeneracy to the point of becoming artful master liars who gauge their success on how many people they can fool into believing they are sincere, while they intentionally deceive. I have not witnessed many sincere liberals who are in fellowship with God, but who tip their hand of being out of fellowship by many other standards.

For example, any minister who claims to be an official in a church and adamently demands his concurrent 'homosexuality' immediately tips his hand to a lack of fellowship with God.

I would have considered myself a biblical conservative but policital liberal up until about ten years ago. I wouldn't now, but not because I have strayed from biblical conservatism, but because the nature of liberalism is rapidly changing every moment. Clearly the Democratic party of John Kerry is nowhere near the Democratic party of FDR, or even JFK, something that life long Democrats like Zed Miller are thankfully making more and more people aware of.

I became a Christian while I was still deeply emersed in far left politic and ideas, and I thought that much of what Jesus taught fit right in with a lot of those ideals. In fact, I still do. While my own politics have become more conservative, much of what Jesus talks about, I believe, still doesn't sit too with much of what the Republican party, and conservatives in general, proclaim.

One has to only look at the seperating of the sheeps and goats in Matthew 25 to see that. When Jesus looks to the sheep and says, "I was naked and you clothed me, I was hungry and you fed me, I was in prison and you visited me", these are not describing actions of a political conservative, are they? More like, if a person was naked and hungry, they need to get a job so they can feed and clothe themselves. If a person was in prison, it's their own fault and they need to be responsible for their actions.

One has to merely look at the constant admonistion throughout the Bible, Old Testament and New, about care for the poor and the needy to see that modern conservatism's wholesale abandonment of the poor and the needy is in direct opposition to God's desire to how we treat each other.

I appreciate that this is an unpopular opinion, espically on a board like this. I would just ask, before anyone reacts to my post, just to re-read what Scripture has to say on things like care for the poor and needy, on the accumulation of wealth, on the priority of love, and see what it has to say, then see how that fits into your own political view, rather than taking your policital view and seeing how you can justify it thorough Scripture.

In His service,

pony