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US bishops rejected Ratzinger's advice
Catholic World News ^ | July 3, 2004

Posted on 07/03/2004 6:45:41 AM PDT by RockDoc

In a letter to US bishops, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger threw his full support behind the few bishops who have said they will deny the Eucharist to Catholic politicians who support legal abortion, according to an Italian press report. The US bishops voted overwhelmingly to take a less rigorous stance.

The Italian weekly L'Espresso has reported that Cardinal Ratzinger, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, told the American bishops should speak privately with prominent Catholics who defy Church teachings on key issues involving the sanctity of life, alert them to the gravity of their offenses, and warn them that they should not receive Communion. The Vatican's chief doctrinal official wrote: "When ìthese precautionary measures have not had their effect...and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, ìhe minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it."

L'Espresso has published the full text of Cardinal Ratzinger's letter, which had not previously been available to the public. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, who heads a committee of US bishops studying possible responses to pro-abortion Catholic politicians, told reporters that the Ratzinger letter left the issue in the hands of the American hierarchy.

At their Denver meeting, the US bishops adopted a policy statement re-affirming the Church's condemnation of legal abortion, but stopping short of any call for withholding the Eucharist from prominent abortion supporters. The bishops reportedly turned down a milder form of the resolution, backed by Cardinal McCarrick, which would have said that it was imprudent to deny the Eucharist to Catholic politicians. In conversations with the press, Cardinal McCarrick had hinted that the Ratzinger letter gave support to that position.

Sandro Magister, the veteran Vatican reporter who is the author of the Espresso report, writes that Cardinal Ratzinger was clear in his letter, which was sent to Cardinal Ratzinger and to Bishop Wilton Gregory, the president of the US bishops' conference. But as Magister put it, in the headline of his article, the text of the Ratzinger letter shows: "What he wanted, but didn't get."


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To: sinkspur
Our church would not accommodate an altar rail. Besides, even if we had one, nobody would use it.

That's not what I was asking.

Yes. On Sundays and Holy Days.

Now, do you see what I'm getting at? You say that Holy Communion would take too long without EMHCs, but...you're distributing under both Kinds, which is obviously going to require more ministers, ordinary or extraordinary. We have the same "problem" in my home parish. It is also a modern-type church, but an altar rail could be put in somehow if it were found to be necessary.

I'm just saying that one priest, with an altar rail, can distribute Holy Communion, under one Kind, to a lot of people in a short period of time. So, the issue has to do with more than simply speeding things up, because if that was the sole issue, altar rail use would be universal, and no one would distribute under both Kinds.

141 posted on 07/04/2004 6:25:33 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Robert Drobot
What or who decides the need for the "...timely manner...." you suggest, and why?

We have to accommodate 4500 people on a Sunday morning. The only way to do that is make sure that cars move in and out of the parking lot within a 30 minute window, six times.

Masses cannot last 90 minutes, with 30 minutes devoted to the distribution of the Eucharist.

142 posted on 07/04/2004 6:38:57 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Pio

You are lumping all women into a category of (your words -- priestess wannabes)

How can you be the judge of my motives or even the motives of a man -- only God knows.

And, believe me, I don't want to be and have never wanted to be a nun or a priest!!


143 posted on 07/04/2004 8:07:06 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Bump


144 posted on 07/04/2004 9:04:55 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: Tantumergo

Some of the weekend masses at my parish have around 500 communicants, and my parish is probably one of the biggest parishes left in the US that still uses the rail, and it only takes two priests distributing hosts 10-15 minuites to distribute communion.


145 posted on 07/04/2004 9:22:04 AM PDT by RFT1
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To: Dominick; sinkspur

It's not loaded--if you look at R's letter, it's clear as crystal: REFUSE them!

An even better question: what about Joe/Jane who vote pro-abort BECAUSE it's pro-abort?


146 posted on 07/04/2004 12:11:37 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: undirish01
What the heck over?

I believe that this question demands the correct use of the comma, thus:

What the heck, over?

My recollection of the question also differs from yours in that the word "heck" is not the one we used in the Military Police...

147 posted on 07/04/2004 12:15:08 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur
What if little Johnny had a fight with the woman's kid who now presents himself, and momma didn't seem to care. Should some catty emotion be indulged?

You're pretty handy with strawman arguments.

Abortion and euthanasia are NOT the same as fisticuffs on the playground, Sink. Your moral theo 101 should have told you that.

148 posted on 07/04/2004 12:21:43 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur
I doubt our pastor would refuse the Eucharist to anybody, including John Kerry.

I'm SHOCKED.

149 posted on 07/04/2004 12:23:15 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Abortion and euthanasia are NOT the same as fisticuffs on the playground, Sink. Your moral theo 101 should have told you that.

Of course it's not. That's why we don't allow EEMs to decide who they will receive the Eucharist from them.

150 posted on 07/04/2004 12:24:01 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
That's why we don't allow EEMs to decide who they will receive the Eucharist from them.

What a mess! That's why we don't allow EEMs to decide who will recieve the Eucharist from them.

151 posted on 07/04/2004 12:24:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur; Dominick; NYer; Tantumergo

Sinky, the solution is obvious to all: dump the EEM's and force your parishioners to spend an extra 10 minutes at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

That way, only you, the Pastor, and the Associate Pastors will be responsible for the disposition of the Eucharist, for good or ill.


152 posted on 07/04/2004 12:26:37 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Sinky, the solution is obvious to all: dump the EEM's and force your parishioners to spend an extra 10 minutes at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

No. We simply can't logistically handle 90 minute Masses.

153 posted on 07/04/2004 12:29:19 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur; Polycarp IV
EEMs have no business making private judgments about who is to receive and who is not.

First of all, you are beginning to sound like the Supremes in Griswold who found a "right to privacy" which does not exist in the Constitution--or like those legislators who find that the Second Amendment applies only to active members of the Reserves, the cops, and themselves.

As they say in Green Bay: Boooschwaaaa.

That letter is clear as can be: MUST REFUSE.

Secondly, you are again playing the "strawman" game.

The case of John Fn Kerry is notorious and well-publicized, as are the cases of State and other Federal legislators. They are either FOR babykilling, or AGIN it.

An EEM who cannot make these distinctions should NEVER have been made an EEM in the first place: another discussion you should have with your Pastor.

154 posted on 07/04/2004 12:31:45 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: drstevej

Well, since 25% of Christians are Catholic (of East or West) it's about what one might expect, statistically...


155 posted on 07/04/2004 12:34:18 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
The case of John Fn Kerry is notorious and well-publicized, as are the cases of State and other Federal legislators. They are either FOR babykilling, or AGIN it.

What does Dolan have to say? I notice he's not jumping on the "must refuse" bandwagon.

156 posted on 07/04/2004 12:34:25 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
I have no idea if someone has gone to confession earlier in the day or the day before, so I give the Eucharist

Of course, in the case of Kerry, and other politicos, Reconciliation is NOT the question--nice try at the side-step.

Public denunciation of the pro-abort position and a reversal of voting pattern are the requirements (along WITH private confession.)

157 posted on 07/04/2004 12:38:31 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur
If someone wore said button, I would refuse them. And back up any EEM who did so.

How very, ah, OR-tho-dox of you.

It ought to bother you that this statement is in direct contradiction to your previous contentions that 'no EEM may refuse...'

158 posted on 07/04/2004 12:40:48 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
How about a little common sense, niner?
159 posted on 07/04/2004 12:42:47 PM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Salvation; Pio
Are you saying that male EEMs are holier? Funny reasoning here!

Since the problem of EEM's is layered, beginning with the obstinate and persistent abuse of the position by the Bishops and priests of the USA--his response may seem odd.

But it's not. If you peel back the silliness, the Eucharist is "food which I shall give you", and that "I" is Christ.

Male priesthood follows from that "I" and so does the distribution of that "Food."

Of course, if the Bishops can justify the use of bar-room tunes and polkas as music for worship, then this little item is hardly significant, right?

160 posted on 07/04/2004 12:48:05 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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