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To: RnMomof7

I would imagine it's not an insult given that you believe the Holy Ghost inspires you to discover the Doctrine of Christ through Scripture, even as the fissiparousness of prostestantism would make that theory seem foolish. If the Holy Ghost does not make you infallible in your interpretation of Scripture, then you are "setting yourself up as the final authority in religion."

Christ redeemed us; by His Blood we are saved. But the justice of God does not allow the temporal punishment of our trespasses to go unremitted nor does it allow anything defiled to enter into Heaven. The distinction between temporal punishment and eternal punishment is important - we know that through Christ we can find remission of eternal punishment, but the temporal punishment for our sins remains, as seen in the effects of sickness and death. We can be forgiven for our trespasses and avoid eternal punishment, but still have a debt to pay with temporal punishment - as seen with Psalm 99: "O Lord, our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God, though you punished their offenses" (8). Purgatory is a means of remitting this debt to God, but the same effect can be achieved by doing penance and corporal or spiritual works of mercy here on earth.


36 posted on 06/11/2004 3:38:06 PM PDT by Fifthmark
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To: Fifthmark; RnMomof7

***We can be forgiven for our trespasses and avoid eternal punishment, but still have a debt to pay with temporal punishment - as seen with Psalm 99: "O Lord, our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God, though you punished their offenses"***

There you go again Fifth, a Catholic offering his own interpretation of Scripture. You should ONLY quote verbatim the Magisterium. Citing a verse with your own comments is so..... Protestant!


37 posted on 06/11/2004 3:43:54 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Fifthmark
But the justice of God does not allow the temporal punishment of our trespasses to go unremitted nor does it allow anything defiled to enter into Heaven. The distinction between temporal punishment and eternal punishment is important - we know that through Christ we can find remission of eternal punishment, but the temporal punishment for our sins remains, as seen in the effects of sickness and death. We can be forgiven for our trespasses and avoid eternal punishment, but still have a debt to pay with temporal punishment - as seen with Psalm 99: "O Lord, our God, you answered them; you were a forgiving God, though you punished their offenses"

Was the "punishment " in that scripture temporal or after death?? Sin always has earthly consequences. We reap what we sow.As David , a man after Gods own heat , lost a son, and had a very dysfunctional family that caused pain in his life

The "forgiveness" of Christ you describe is not "forgiveness" , the "forgiveness" you describe is not mercy

He forgives you but then demands that you pay for your own sin too...that is unless someone prays to some saint to free you

The Blood of Christ does not free you from eternal punishment , but the intervention of some saint does.

This is not biblical , it was not taught by Jesus or buy the apostles.

This is a doctrine of men that what to save themselves , men that refuse mercy in exchange for a salvation by works. Suffer a little and then you have earned heaven .

I do not much care if you want to believe it. But the man that hung on the cross to be the propitiation for the sins of men must be sorry He died in vain .

39 posted on 06/11/2004 5:41:25 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (You did not chose me, I chose)
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