Posted on 06/04/2004 12:00:16 PM PDT by AskStPhilomena
In his explanation for the decision, Maida cited the growing influence of schismatic groups within his archdiocese.
"We have much activity by schismatic churches in the Archdiocese. We have children in our Archdiocese attending schismatic schools and being drawn away from the Church. Some of our faithful are crossing the border to go into Windsor or other dioceses for the celebration of this Mass," the cardinal is quoted as stating.
Maida did not mention at the meeting that in addition to laity joining schismatic groups, he is also faced with a major emigration of seminarians from the archdiocese, and the crisis shows no signs of abating. In the year 2007 there is only one man scheduled to be ordained for the Archdiocese of Detroit, a native-born Filipino.
During the meeting Auxiliary Bishop Walter Hurley said the Tridentine Mass may be allowed in two parishes before the fall, but neither the parishes nor the frequency of the Masses has been decided.
Hurley is quoted as stating, "We are not looking to catechize new generations into the Tridentine Rite, but we are seeking to respond to those people who have identified this as a pastoral need In moving in this direction, there are certain things that must take place as we proceed. The first is that Vatican II, its authenticity, and its liturgical reforms have to be accepted as a legitimate work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Church. We do not want to set up something that would be divisive. We are not seeking to undermine or unravel the reforms of the Council."
The celebration of the Tridentine Mass will be coordinated under the auspices of the Archdiocesan Worship Office. "We do not want to see this as a work of a specific group of people, but rather an extension of Cardinal Maida's ministry as chief shepherd of the Archdiocese," Hurley is quoted as saying. "… All of our regional auxiliary bishops have indicated their willingness to celebrate this liturgy. The framework here is pastoral. We will not identify this as a "specific niche" of a parish; rather, this is simply something that would be offered at a parish."
The decision has been met with guarded optimism by those who have worked for the Tridentine Rite in the archdiocese, mainly because the rite – until now -- has been bitterly opposed by Maida and his chancery since Maida arrived as archbishop in Detroit in 1990. Additionally, the auxiliary bishop and chancery staff who are implementing his new decision are long-time chancery veterans who have no track record whatsoever of embracing traditional initiatives.
Many suspect the Tridentine Mass may be sparingly offered at small parishes in inconvenient locations, perhaps even in parishes hostile to traditional aspirations.
For at least the last 15 years there have been hundreds, if not thousands of requests to Maida to grant permission for the Tridentine Mass. A group of Catholics in the early 1990s filed a canonical lawsuit in the Signatura, the Vatican Court, to force Cardinal Maida to abide by Eccleiasia Dei, in which Pope John Paul II pleaded with the world’s bishops to allow a "generous application" of the indult for the Tridentine Mass. The St. Joseph Foundation assisted in that effort.
Maida opposed the lawsuit vigorously, and the legal effort ended when the Vatican ruled that with the death in 1994 of Thomas Marshall, the main signer of the complaint, the rest of signers of the petition to Rome had no standing to pursue the case.
It is noteworthy that the primary opponent of the Tridentine Mass at that time was Fr. Gerald Shirilla, professor at Sacred Heart Major Seminary and director of the Worship Department. Fr.Shirilla told a reporter for the Michigan Catholic that, regarding those who want the Tridentine Mass, "We have to fight them tooth and nail."
Fr. Shirilla was relieved of his post in 1993 when he was identified as a serial child molester, who favored young altar boys, going back more than 20 years. He never quite lost favor with Cardinal Maida, however, and was secretly re-assigned seven years later as pastor of a parish in the Diocese of Gaylord, Michigan.
Meanwhile, as the cardinal and his priests argue about the merits of the Tridentine Mass, the Detroit chapter of gay organization Dignity continues to hold its weekly Masses at Marygrove College every Sunday, and openly advertises that priests of the archdiocese celebrate its Masses. Priests of the archdiocese have never been forbidden to celebrate those gay Masses.
Cardinal Maida has always had different standards for different groups throughout his tenure in Detroit.
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Crazy. Weird. Mental.
No they don't.
Legislatures set the statutes of limitation. No court has the authority to overturn them.
I am wondering how you cry so vociferously about any semblance of a semi-personal attack against you while so quickly resorting to base personal attacks like what you just did to him.
Just wondering. Seems kind of ... hypociritcal.
Stop posting to me.
Believe it.
Now I am really interested. Is this a recent development on the FR? I could not find a new rule that says one poster can demand that another stop posting, yet continue posting threats and demands to him. (The new rule seems to start around post 261.)
Is the FreeRepublic still as FREE as it is great? I think it is. Am I wrong?
Please let me know if I am missing something. Please educate me.
Testing... testing...
Calm down and try to not buckle the system. It's not always fair.
So many of us have been threatened we could form a club. Just ignore it.
At least we haven't had a bloodbath like the GRPL. Not yet anyway.
"I am wondering how you cry so vociferously about any semblance of a semi-personal attack against you while so quickly resorting to base personal attacks (yourself)"
Have you ever seen a liberal that didn't act that way?
Bunches of us have been called crazy and threatened. No big deal. If he doesn't want you to post to him, don't post to him. Of course, that doesn't mean you can't explain to someone else why something tinky said was wrong.
Amazing how liberals cry about free speech, yet go through such wild gyrations to silence conservatives.
But those very gyrations make their very special bent clear to those who observe.
As I recall, in the late 50s and early 60s anyway, the Easter Vigil started at 11:00 p.m. on Holy Saturday, so that the Mass proper could start right at midnight (Sunday).
Can you point me to anywhere on the web that reproduces the Aramaic prayers in Aramaic (assuming the Hebrew alphabet is used, as it is in the Aramaic sections of the Bible)? I find transliterations confusing.
Yes, the priests spoke softly (to God), and the servers made some responses in Latin. Naturally, in high Masses, parts were chanted aloud: Kyrie, Gloria and Credo (where used), Preface, Pater Noster, Sanctus, Agnus Dei, as I recall.
Granted, I was pretty young when we still had the Tridentine Mass, but I never perceived it as "watching the priest celebrate by himself" -- following along in my missal -- and even before I'd learned to use a missal -- I felt very united in prayer with the priest. (I speak of daily Masses in particular.)
I think the tenor of your question (no fault on your part) derives from the "priest as headliner," the rest of us as audience, feel of the NO.
You must be thinking of courts outside of Massachusetts! Our courts can do anything! ;-) -- or do I mean :( ?
We used to have it in the Easter Vigil in Greek and Latin -- Agios Theos -- Sanctus Deus, Agios Ischyros -- Sanctus Fortis, Agios Athanatos, eleison imas -- Sanctus Immortalis, miserere nobis. (I really do miss the old Holy week services!)
Why am I not surprised that you would choose these words to express yourself?
You have made a career on FR of denigrating traditionalists who find grave, destructive errors in the Novus Ordo and happenings within the Church subsequent to Vatican II.
Anyone who points out the problems with the Church hierarchy and the opportunities missed by Pope John Paul II to reverse the circus and return the Church to the pinnacle once occupied in the world, risks your phony and sophomoric scorn.
Catholic means universal, but today from church to church, state to state, nation to nation there is nothing universal or catholic about the Catholic Church. Many attendees at today's masses have gone beyond being "cafeteria Catholics" they have arrived at a state of un-piety as they chatter along until the procession, then upon receiving the Sacred Host, head directly out the backdoors to their cars. Mass is over for them and their unconscious disrespect speaks volumes about the Novus Ordo "service."
NOt all bishops allow this sort of thing. Mine wouldn't even let it enter his mind.
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