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To: Tantumergo; ninenot

I never been there(never been to Europe even), But I heave heard from many people who have, and they say their Latin Novus Ordo, at least in terms of externals, is almost identical to the Tridentine High mass, would such a mass be acceptable to many who want tradition, but can not get an indult?

I myself am probably liberal for a traditionalist, I do not have a problem with a reverent, Traditional leaning Novus Ordo, but I also like the 62 missal. If a Novus Ordo is sung in Latin, using the Confetior and Canon I, I really do not see how it can be considerd "inferior" to the Tridentine mass.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 7:24:42 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: RFT1

Those who call it "inferior" are particularly concerned about a few major items, e.g., the significantly-altered Offertory prayers, the lack of Ps. 42 at the entrance, the single "Domine, non sum dignus..." before Communion, and some other less obvious and less major items--such as the fact that the readings are NOT done in Latin.

But on the whole, you are correct; the Latin rendition of the NO is very much like the 1962 Rite.


18 posted on 06/02/2004 8:14:42 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: RFT1

"they say their Latin Novus Ordo, at least in terms of externals, is almost identical to the Tridentine High mass, would such a mass be acceptable to many who want tradition, but can not get an indult?"

Yes - at the oratory the N.O. Latin Mass is offered exceedingly beautifully and many traditionalists would have less qualms about attending the new rite if it was offered in this way everywhere.

However, one of the main reasons that the new rite liturgy is conducted in this way is that 6 out of the 8 priests at the oratory also celebrate the Tridentine Rite! The fact that they love the old Mass rubs off on the way they do the new.

Tridentine Low Mass is offered at 10.00 am in the "Little Oratory", and Sung Latin N.O. Mass is offered at 11.00 am in the main Church. (Just in case you ever do make a trip to London).

At least when the N.O. Mass is said in Latin we get to participate in the same Mass and Prayers that in theory the rest of the Roman Church is participating in. English speakers have been deprived of this right for the last 30 years!

"If a Novus Ordo is sung in Latin, using the Confetior and Canon I, I really do not see how it can be considerd "inferior" to the Tridentine mass."

While the externals are not necessarily inferior, the lack of precision, ambiguity, and shady theology of some of the prayers are still a problem with the N.O. Mass even when said in Latin.

My interest in the restoration of the Tridentine Rite is not so much to do with the Latin as it is with the orthodoxy of our worship. I would be quite content with an accurate English translation of the old Mass, if suitably dignified language were to be used.

IMHO orthodoxy is a much bigger issue than which language we celebrate the Mass in - though I am cognizant of the arguments for the use of Latin being a defense of orthodoxy.


24 posted on 06/03/2004 5:03:10 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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