Bishop's Palace
Galveston, Texas
Current residence of Bishop Joseph Fiorenza, bishop of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, and past president of the USCCB.
This house is about two blocks off the seafront, so I can see the "windswept" inference.
Posted on 05/15/2004 7:53:56 AM PDT by narses
I haven't read this book.
But given what I've read. I believe it's at least 85% true, too.
Which book is the sequel to Windswept House?
He died before it was complete.
At the time of his passing on July 27, 1999, Martin was at work on what he said would be his most controversial and important book. Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church became a Creature of The New World Order was to deal with power and the papacy. This work was to analyze the revolutionary shift that lies at the heart of what many see as the breakdown of papal power. It was to be a book of predictions about the Vatican and the world in the first decades of the new millennium.
http://www.theharrowing.com/martin.html
Bumping for later read...
Thanks for the bump.
I enjoyed reading those articles. I have read two of Fr. Martin's books - "Windswept House" and "Vatican."
What strikes me most about them, and I'm reminded again today reading the articles, is how silly it is to carry on so much about liturgical abuses, and what Priest is boinking who, and thinking we can really make a difference by complaining, when the Church itself couldn't care less.
Fr. Martin shows what agenda is really important to the Church. It seems like they only pretend to care about our personal holiness.
This is indeed very interesting. If you were to take the birth of Isreal and add a generation (120 years) you come out with somewhere around 2064-about the life time of two more Popes.
From a Protestant perspective I was extremely disappointed in many of the decisions made at the Council of Trent and the prior 200 years leading up to this event. I don't wish to hash all that Luther stuff out here and the Catholics may think this is nonsense. But to me it seems the decisions made at the Council of Trent and subsequent Vatican pronouncements which followed set the stage for where the Catholic Church has positioned itself today. Certainly changes from Vatican I to Vatican II also played a role.
This is intriguing and I will certainly be praying for you.
"I have read two of Fr. Martin's books - "Windswept House" and "Vatican." "
"Jesuits" and "Hostage to the devil" also make interesting (but quite frightening) reading. "Hostage to the devil" persuaded me into performing an "asperges" (much like the asperges for High Mass) of our home with holy water every evening - not to mention increasing devotion to the Sacraments and the holy rosary.
We should remember that even apparitions and prophecies officially approved by the Church (such as La Salette, Fatima, Lourdes etc), as "private revelation", do not form part of the "deposit of Faith" - and therefore Catholics may reject them (albeit at their peril). The rejection of dogma (that is widespread today) is quite another matter.
While on the subject of prophecies, here's one I find interesting:
http://www.olrl.org/prophecy/prophecy.shtml
"I will certainly be praying for you."
Thank you.
The following is a reputed key relating the fictional names used in Fr. Malachi Martin's Windswept House to the real persons involved.
1. Jean-Claude Cardinal de Vincennes - Jean Cardinal Villot (deceased)
2. Cosimo Cardinal Mastroianni - Agostino Cardinal Casaroli (deceased)
3. Silvio Cardinal Aureatini - Achille Cardinal Silvestrini, Cong. Oriental
Church
4. Leo Cardinal Pensabene - Pio Cardinal Laghi, Congregation of Christian
Education
5. Cardinal Moradian - Gregoire Pierre Cardinal Agagainian (deceased)
6. Cardinal Karmel - Jean-Marie Cardinal Lustiger, Paris
7. Leonard Cardinal Boff - Basil Cardinal Hume, Westminster (deceased)
8. Aviola -Silvano Cardinal Piovanelli, Florence
9. Cardinal Sturz - Franz Cardianl Koenig, Vienna (retired)
10. Cardinal Leonardine - Bernardin (cf. also Card. of Century City and
Archpriest in South Carolina)
11. German Jesuit Cardinal - Augustin Cardinal Bea, S.J. (deceased)
12. Bp. "Leo" James Russeton - Bp. John Russell (deceased 1993)
13. Otto Sekuler - real person/name not disclosed, a member of the KGB
14. Frater Medico - Agnes' father, an M.D. (deceased)
15. Aldo Carnesecca - real person/name not disclosed (deceased)
16. Msgr. Daniel Sadowski - Msgr. Stanislao Dziewicz
17. Msgr. Taco Manuguerra - Msgr. Agosto Bueno
18. Jean Cardinal de Bourgogne - John Cardinal Cody
19. Fr. Damian Slattery, O.P. - composite of Michael Cardinal Browne, O.P.,
and a living former U.S. Dominican, perhaps Fr. Fiore
20. Fr. Christian Thomas Gladstone - composite of 3 priests
21. Mrs. Francesca Gladstone - elderly woman, still living
22. Windswept House - Galveston Island, Texas
23. Cyrus Benthoek - Bill Morrell (deceased)
24. J.J. Cardinal O'Cleary - John Cardinal O'Connor, New York (deceased)
25. Piet Cardinal Svensen - Leo Cardinal Suenens, Belgium
26. Local Chapel/SSPX "Danbury" - Dickinson, TX, chapel of the SSPX
27. Fr. Angelo Gutmacher - P. Schmidt, Cardinal Bea's secretary
28. Giacomo Cardinal Graziani - Angelo Cardinal Sodano, Vatican Secretary of
State
29. Noah Cardinal Palombo - Virgilio Cardinal Noe, Vatican (retired)
30. Michael Continho, S.J. - Carlos Cardinal Martini, S.J., Milan
31. Victor Venable, OFM - Fr. Vaughan
32. Serozha Gafin (Moscow) - A. Golovin
33. Gibson Appleyard (U.S.A.) - composite of J. Hale, State Department, and
William Colby, C.I.A.
34. Rev. Herbert Tartley, Church of England - former Archbishop of Canterbury
35. Nicholas Clatterbuck - real person, still living
36. Dr. Ralph Channing - real person, still living
37. Cliffview House - 304? Riverside Drive, New York
38. Jacques Deneuve (banker) - K. Schwab, World Trade Organization
39. Gynneth Blashford (publisher) - Bertelsmann
40. Brad Gerstein-Snell (communications) - Ted Turner
41. Sir Jimmie Blackburn (South Africa, diamonds) - James Goldsmith
42. Kyun Kia Moi (Korea) - real person, still living
43. Bp. Novacy - Abp. Pavel Hnilica
44. Maldonado (I.R.A.) - Sig. Alberico Novelli
45. Card. Amedeo Sanstefano (I.R.A.) - Silvio Cardinal Oddi (deceased)
46. Bp. Ievin Rahilly (CT) - Abp. John Whealon, Hartford (deceased)
47. Bp. Primas Rochefort (NY) - Bp. Matthew Clark, Rochester
48. Bp. Bruce Longbottham (MI) - Bp. Kenneth Untener, Saginaw
49. Abp. Cuthbert Delish (WI) - Abp. Rembert Weakland, Milwaukee (retired)
50. Bp. Manley Motherhubbe (NY) - Bp. Howard Hubbard, Albany
51. Bp. Raymond Luckenbill (MN) - Bp. Raymond Lucker, New Ulm
52. Bp. Ralph Goodenough (IL) - composite of Chicago auxiliaries
53. Sr. Fran Fedora (Seattle) - Fran Ferder
54. Sr. Helen Hammentick (New Orleans) - ?
55. Sr. Cherisa Blaine (Kansas City) - Sr. Theresa Kane
56. "Capstone" - real person, still living
57. Card. Schuyteneer (Belgium) - Godfried Danneels, Belgium
58. Card. Azande (Gold Coast) - Francis Arinze, Congregation of Saints
59. Card. Reinvernunft - Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith
60. Abp. Canizio Buttafuoco - Abp. Gianni Danzi, Office of Secretary of State
61. Holy Angels House - Dominican House of Studies, River Forest, IL
62. Fr. George Haneberry - Fr. Donald Goergen, O.P., former provincial of
Chicago Dominicans, author of "Sexual Celibate, now at an ashram in Kenosha,
Wisconsin
63. Fr. Avonodor (Chicago Chancery) - Msgr. John Roche, Archdiocese of Chicago,
friend of Joseph Louis Cardinal Bernardin; now works for Helene Curtiss
Cosmetics, Chicago
64. Fr. Lotzinger (Willowship) - Fr. Robert Lutz, St. Norbert's Church,
Northbrook, IL
65. Sr. Angela - Alice Halpin, Lutz's school principal, former nun
66. Fr. Tomkins (Roantree) - fictitious name
67. Fr. Keraly (Harding) - fictitious name, or perhaps Fr. Kealy
68. Fr. Goerge Hotelet, O.P. - Fr. Georges Cottier, O.P., Rome, a papal
theologian
69. Dr. Carlo Fiesole Marraci - Giovanni Baptista Marini-Bettolo Marcioni
>>He said that these Satanists are in league with Zionists <<
Ya lost me here!
The Roman Catholic historian Malachi Martin attempts to confine these lines of desposyni as follows. These were:one from Joachim and Anna, Jesus’ maternal grand parents. One from Elizabeth, first cousin of Jesus’ mother, Mary, and Elizabeth’s husband Zachary. And one from Cleophas and his wife who was also a first cousin of Mary (M Martin Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, Secker and Warburg, London, 1981, p. 42).
He acknowledges that there were numerous blood descendants of Joseph (p. 43) but, as all Roman Catholics, he seems to attempt to deny their direct lineage from Mariam or Mary, even though he acknowledges they had clung to the Church throughout the early years. Maria is removed to first cousin and not sister as the Bible says.
Martin records that the descendants, as leaders of the Church, held a meeting with Sylvester bishop of Rome about the whole nature of the Church in the year 318 CE (ibid.). The emperor provided sea transport as far as Ostia for eight of them and then they rode on donkeys to Rome and the Lateran where Sylvester now lived in splendour. They wore rough woollen clothes, with leather boots and hats. The conversation was in Greek as they spoke Aramaic and had no Latin, and Sylvester spoke no Aramaic. Martin considers it probable that Joses the oldest of the Christian Jews spoke on their behalf. (CCG, "The Virgin Mariam and the Family of Jesus Christ")
The Roman church had come to be wealthy under patronage. When Constantine tried to establish the Christian system in order to use it, he gave the edict of Toleration at Milan circa 314 CE. After this, the Christians became influential. In 318 CE, the emperor paid for the travel of the family of Christ to Rome to confer with bishop Sylvester at the Lateran Palace. He was, by this time, a very wealthy person living like a prince. The party of the family of Christ came by ship to the port of Ostia and then they went by donkey to Rome. They were dressed in woollen homespun garments and leather hats and boots. They spoke Aramaic and Greek. Bishop Sylvester spoke only Latin and Greek so the conversation was carried on in Greek. It seems likely that Simon was their spokesman (see the paper The Nicolaitans (No. 202) and also the ex-Jesuit historian Malachi Martin The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, pp. 42 ff).They expressed their concern that the laws of God had been removed as the basis of the church. They wanted the Sabbath reinstated. It had been made inferior to Sunday from the Council of Elvira in 300 CE. They argued for the Torah, which was the Hebrew name given to the law of God, to be reinstated to its correct position. That included the Holy Days and food laws. They asked that the Greek bishops put into Alexandria and Antioch and elsewhere be replaced by the family of Christ. They asked also that Jerusalem again be made the centre of the faith and the money for the church be able to be sent there.
They went home. Instead of using his influence with Constantine to reform the church of these Gnostic influences and restore it to the true faith once delivered to the saints, as the brother of Christ wrote (Jude 3), Sylvester set about destroying the faith and the family of Christ with it. (CCG, "Modern Christian Fundamentalism: A Contradiction in Terms")
I found the actual quote:
...A meeting between Sylvester and the Jewish Christian leaders took place in 318....The vital interview was not, as far as we know, recorded, but the issues were very well known, and it is probable the Joses, the oldest of the Christian Jews , spoke on behalf of the desposyni and the rest.
...That most hallowed name, desposyni, had been respected by all believers in the first century and a half of Christian history. The word literally meant, in Greek, "belonging to the Lord." It was reserved uniquely for Jesus' blood relatives. Every part of the ancient Jewish Christian church had always been governed by a desposynos, and each of them carried one of the names traditional in Jesus' family---Zachary, Joseph, John, James, Joses, Simeon, Matthias, and so on. But no one was ever called Jesus. Neither Sylvester nor any of the thirty-two popes before him, nor those succeeding him, ever emphasized that there were at least three well-known and authentic lines of legitimate blood descent from Jesus' own family...
...The Desposyni demanded that Sylvester, who now had Roman patronage, revoke his confirmation of the authority of the Greek Christian bishops at Jerusalem, in Antioch, in Ephesus, and in Alexandria, and to name desposynos bishops to take their place. They asked that the practice of sending cash to Jerusalem as the mother church be resumed... These blood relatives of Christ demanded the reintroduction of the Law, which included the Sabbath and the Holy Day system of Feasts and New Moons of the Bible. Sylvester dismissed their claims and said that, from now on, the mother church was in Rome and he insisted they accept the Greek bishops to lead them.
...This was the last known dialogue with the Sabbath-keeping church in the east led by the disciples who were descended from blood relatives of Jesus the Messiah. [Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, New York: Bantam, 1983. pages 30-31]
I recently bought Hostage to the Devil. It is frightening to the core.
Ping.
Wow, a Dramatis Personae, thanks!
Bishop's Palace
Galveston, Texas
Current residence of Bishop Joseph Fiorenza, bishop of the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston, and past president of the USCCB.
This house is about two blocks off the seafront, so I can see the "windswept" inference.
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