Posted on 05/14/2004 5:16:53 PM PDT by Salvation
Well, with the politicians it is easy to tell who supports abortion and who opposes it, with voters, I guess you'd have to request that parishioners get an absentee ballot and put it in the collection basket in order to enforce this.
God knows each of our hearts.
This makes it sound like they took the same position, which they did not. Bush said that embryonic stem cell research could continue with the existing fetal cells. This violates Catholic principles, and was considered an attempt to reach a compromise between a pro-life position and a pragmatic position.
Does this mean Kerry and Teresa will have to pay extra for their next blessings?
**Personally, I do not do so. I will not vote for anyone who is not 100% pro-life.**
I think this is what is being advocated.
Thank you for making that correction!
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He also appointed 6 pro-abortion judges to the federal bench in NJ: Bill Martini, Michael Chertoff, Jose Linares, Freda Wolfson, a Democrat, Robert Kugler an "Independent", and Peter G. Sheridan.
To Date he has yet to ban RU-486 which he can do very easily as Clinton did to make it legal.
I'm very grateful that President Bush signed the ban on PBA and Unborn Victims of Violence act and that he nominated some pro lifers to the SCOTUS which is why I'm supporting him since he is "more" pro life than Clinton/Gore/Kerry, I just hope someday I can call him a Pro-Life President. So far I can call him a "more pro life than ....." president. After having clinton in for 8 yrs. Bush is truly a breath of fresh air, I just hope in his second term he does more for the pro life and school choice issues and reduces spending, lowers the budget and cuts back on federal regulations--the federal registry is up to 80,000 pages.
Agreed.
But this bishop says that anyone who does otherwise is automatically excommunicated! That's a very different story.
Yu do have a valid point. But what the Catechism say?
That sounds like you'll be excommunicated for voting for him if you live in Colorado Springs.
I just hope in his second term he does more for the pro life and school choice issues and reduces spending, lowers the budget and cuts back on federal regulations--the federal registry is up to 80,000 pages.
So you're hoping that he does a 180 degree change. Not likely to happen. Were there any big pro-life triumphs during Reagan's second term? Not that I can recall. And for that matter, did the liberals get any big victories in Clinton's second term? Ditto.
Thank you. But apparently this bishop of Colorado Springs does not agree. Although actually his letter is too ambiguous to be taken as definitive.
Were someone to actually call the question, Sheridan would clarify, I suppose.
OTOH, I think it's a neat strategy--he will certainly get the discussion rolling with this letter and can always make more precisely-defined points
if anyone cares to ask...
| 2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
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| 2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society. |
| 2322 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life. |
| 2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being. Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, "if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence." |
Homosexual Agenda Ping - A long read but a good one. Even though this is written by a Catholic Bishop for Catholics, I consider it worthy of the attention of any person of any faith.
The basic point is that if a person claims to be an adherent or follower of any religion which teaches moral absolutes, especially regarding the holiness of marriage and the illicit and immoral nature of homosexual acts (as well as other wrongs such as abortion and euthanasia) yet holds an opinion in variance or opposition to the moral teachings of the religion he espouses - is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. And a hypocrite.
If anyone doesn't "like" Catholics, just read it anyway, and try to get over sectarianism, to see the principle involved. It is a vital principle - that not only will help stem the cultural breakdown, but promote great personal spiritual growth.
Note what the Bishop says here:
"As in the matter of abortion, any Catholic politician who would promote so-called “same-sex marriage” and any Catholic who would vote for that political candidate place themselves outside the full communion of the Church and may not receive Holy Communion until they have recanted their positions and been reconciled by the Sacrament of Penance."
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Thanks for these quotes from the cathechism. They all refer to the procurement of an abortion or formal cooperation in the procurement of an abortion. That is a crime that carries with it the penalty of excommunication.
I'm pretty sure that there is a separate section about politicians which says that it can also be an offense deserving excommunication to vote for laws permitting abortion.
I'm pretty certain, however, that it does not say any such thing about voters.
I have been praying about this since we got the word, but I am not sure I can do it. Obviously, I cannot vote Specter, but I was planning on writing in Toomey, which I will probably still do. Voting for Hoeffel seems too much like making a deal with the devil to me. But I will continue to pray as these pro-life leaders have much more political acumen than I.
Wouldn't the politicians be included in those that assist with an abortion? IOW, make it possible?
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