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Vatican warns against marrying Muslims
Reuters ^ | 5/14/2004 | Shasta Darlington

Posted on 05/14/2004 10:17:14 AM PDT by Campion

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican (news - web sites) warned Catholic women on Friday to think hard before marrying a Muslim and urged Muslims to show more respect for human rights, gender equality and democracy.

Calling women "the least protected member of the Muslim family," it spoke of the "bitter experience" western Catholics had with Muslim husbands, especially if they married outside the Islamic world and later moved to his country of origin.

The comments in a document about migrants around the world were preceded by remarks about points of agreement between Christians and Muslims but they seemed likely to fuel mistrust between the world's two largest religions.

The document said the Church discouraged marriages between believers in traditionally Catholic countries and non-Christian migrants.

It hoped Muslims would show "a growing awareness that fundamental liberties, the inviolable rights of the person, the equal dignity of man and woman, the democratic principle of government and the healthy lay character of the state are principles that cannot be surrendered."

When a Catholic woman and Muslim man wanted to marry, it said, "bitter experience teaches us that a particularly careful and in-depth preparation is called for."

It said one possible problem was with Muslim in-laws and advised future mothers that they must insist on Church policy that children born of a mixed marriage be baptized and brought up as Catholics.

If the marriage is registered in the consulate of a Muslim country, the document said, the Catholic must be careful not to sign a document or swear an oath including the shahada, the Islamic profession of faith, which would amount to converting.

DIFFERENT APPROACHES

The document highlighted the contrasting approaches the Vatican has taken in recent years toward Islam, which has emerged as a strong rival for souls, especially in Africa.

Pope John Paul (news - web sites) has broken ground in dialogue with Muslims and even prayed in a mosque in Damascus. He won plaudits in the Muslim world for his strong opposition to the Iraq (news - web sites) war.

But Vatican officials and leading Catholic prelates have expressed increasingly critical views about the spread of Islam and the challenge this poses for Catholicism.

The Vatican's top theologian, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, said earlier this week the West "no longer loves itself" and so was unable to respond to the challenge of Islam, which was growing because it expressed "greater spiritual energy."

The migration document also discouraged churches from letting non-Christians use their places of worship.

This issue arose last month when Muslims in Spain asked to be able to pray in Cordoba cathedral, which was once a mosque. A senior Vatican official said this would be "problematic."


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But wait, I thought the Pope was a lapdog of Islam. After all, he kissed the Koran and refused to tell Catholics and Muslims in Kazakhstan to fight to the death. What's going on here?
1 posted on 05/14/2004 10:17:15 AM PDT by Campion
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To: *Catholic_list; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses

Pinging the People of God ...


2 posted on 05/14/2004 10:25:15 AM PDT by Campion
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Hummm..so recognizing similarities doesn't automatically indicate equivalency...whod'a thunk it?
4 posted on 05/14/2004 10:56:48 AM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: Campion
Another thread in News/Activism:

Vatican Warns Catholics Against Marrying Muslims ("Put Down the Burqa and Back Away SLOWLY...!")

5 posted on 05/14/2004 11:05:23 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sartorius; Campion

Thanks for pinging me. Yes, I was getting a little tired "dissing" the RCC on the other thread. I might as well do it here. I look at you Catholics as my mission field (or my cross to bear). Please feel free to consider me the babbling heretic. :O)

I'm so glad that the RCC has "...expressed increasingly critical views about the spread of Islam and the challenge this poses for Catholicism." Of course the article neglects to include any of these quotes. Perhaps a Catholic could find such a quote? But, once again the article did manage to throw in Cardinal Ratzinger quote that the West "no longer loves itself" . Tsk, tsk.

I'm glad the RCC is making such a strong statement of why Catholic women shouldn't marry Muslim men. But rather than saying they would have a hard life wouldn't it had been more appropriate to have used the Bible and said not to be unequally yoked with a non-believer. Of course why use the Bible when you have tradition.

I'm not impressed.


6 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:51 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Campion

Would the Pope say that marriage to a Muslim was being unequally yoked to an unbeliever? That it was bringing Christ into fellowship with Belial?

Are there any spiritual reasons for not marrying a Muslim?


7 posted on 05/14/2004 12:28:45 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: HarleyD
Leave it to you, Harley, to find nothing good to say about anything Rome does.

Go find another cross to bear and another mission field. My mission field is inside my own heart; maybe you ought to work on yours.

8 posted on 05/14/2004 12:32:26 PM PDT by Campion
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To: fishtank
Would the Pope say that marriage to a Muslim was being unequally yoked to an unbeliever?

The traditional Catholic teaching is don't marry outside the faith, period. I, personally, was at one point mildly rebuked in the confessional for marrying an Episcopalian. I have a very conservative (but 20th century) catechism at home which insists that a person "seriously keeping company" with a non-Catholic must mention it in confession.

9 posted on 05/14/2004 12:35:12 PM PDT by Campion
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To: sartorius

Oh, you're right. Thanks for the tip.


11 posted on 05/14/2004 12:42:22 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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"Leave it to you, Harley, to find nothing good to say about anything Rome does."

Rather a blanket statement. If by "nothing good to say" about abortion, divorce, homosexuality then you're wrong. If by "nothing good to say" about its stance on Muslims then you're correct. Trouble is you feel we need to agree with everything coming from Rome.

12 posted on 05/14/2004 12:57:25 PM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: Campion

As long as both of you are Christians, then that's OK.

It is NOT scriptural for a Christian to marry a non-Christian.


13 posted on 05/14/2004 1:02:07 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: HarleyD
If by "nothing good to say" about abortion, divorce, homosexuality then you're wrong.

I must have missed those posts.

Trouble is you feel we need to agree with everything coming from Rome.

No, not everything. Only the things you have to agree with, to be a Catholic. :-)

14 posted on 05/14/2004 1:03:16 PM PDT by Campion
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To: fishtank
As long as both of you are Christians, then that's OK.

Plenty of people call themselves "Christians" who would qualify as "unbelievers" in St. Paul's mind.

15 posted on 05/14/2004 1:07:26 PM PDT by Campion
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This is an example of the pope not being in control anymore. Some Vatican departments are advocating peace with Muslims while other departments are taking a hard line and the pope isn't doing anything to clarify these contradictions.


16 posted on 05/14/2004 1:20:01 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: HarleyD
As I see, the RCC problem of the moment is the Pope. He is too old, sick and feeble to be the head the church. He is no longer exercising discipline over his subordinates. These subordinates are making all sorts of conflicting statements about many things they should be keeping quiet about. His lack of control is making the church look bad if not actually making it bad.

If the Pope is acting on God's authority one can only assume that God has decided to destroy the RCC.

17 posted on 05/14/2004 1:22:27 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (LWS - Legislating While Stupid. Someone should make this illegal.)
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To: Campion

The Catholic Church permits interfaith marriages as long as the Catholic spouse agrees that the children will be raised Catholic.


18 posted on 05/14/2004 1:22:29 PM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: Revenge of Sith

"permits" and "condones" aren't the same thing.


19 posted on 05/14/2004 1:29:49 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

Don't diss Pablo.

What's up with that?


20 posted on 05/14/2004 1:31:57 PM PDT by fishtank
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