[Cvengr]

One thing is clear. His second coming is imminent. (Imminent, not necessarily immediate). There is no other prophetic stipulation which must occur prior to His return. Interpretations, perhaps, but IMHO, His grace will continue even during the wrath of the Lord. Perhaps a gift of letting those who suffer during the Tribulation understand why they are suffering so that the issues are indubitable and one final opportunity for salvation whether seized or not by those perishing.

[Teleosis]

From Cvengr: One thing is clear. His second coming is imminent. (Imminent, not necessarily immediate). There is no other prophetic stipulation which must occur prior to His return.

I agree in the first instance. For each of us individually we are only as far away from the gathering or being with the Son of Man (as Jesus referred to Himself more than any other phrase) coming on the clouds as we are from our own death. Since none of us knows what will happen to us in the next five minutes, it behooves us to lead our lives as if each waking moment could be our last. Thus the emphasis on leading a righteous life, being sober and moral, because our meeting the Lord could happen at any time. Remember, Paul said the dead in Christ are raised first, or as I like to say, they get a six-foot head start on those that are alive and are left.

In the second part, I ask you to examine the Jesus' Olivet Discourse found in Matthew 24, Mark 13 or Luke 21. Jesus gives several events in linear sequence order that predate His physical return to earth. These have not all happened yet. There has not been a Temple for the Abomination of Desolation to be set up in for over 1900 years. That is a condition that has to be satisfied before Jesus returns. This is the same reason by which Paul reassures the Thessalonians that they have not missed the coming of our Lord. I may not live to see that or other prerequisite conditions take place, but I know I will see Jesus arriving in His Glory as will all those in the Book of Life who have died up to that time when I am gathered up.

[Sorensen]

Cvengr. The Idea of "Imminence" is also a "modern invention" with the "Rapture fraud". Paul told the Thessalonians, to not "be soon shaken in mind" as if the
"Day of the Lord", (a limited time period, of the pouring out of God's WRATH, at Armageddon) had already come.
Paul goes on to say, "That there must be a falling away FIRST, and the MAN of SIN, (the personal ANTI-CHRIST ) be
revealed. This, together with God' revealed "timetable"
in the Old Testament, Indicates very precisely the time lines of events, doing away with the false Imminent theory. That is why the scriptures so often encourage our
"Patience", as we are waiting,and not to "grow weary", while waiting, which you would become if Immanency was your daily practice. I am open for speaking engagements on this subject,and on "Correct" Biblical Prophecy, which sad
to say, is not Taught in our Churches today. Now before any one thinks I am being "presumptuous" allow me to give some "evidence" of what I have just declared, in a next post. I shall give an example out of the Prophet Daniel,to
contrast Biblical "correct" understanding, as opposed to
the "Old systems of thought" that have been "handed down",
and repeated by unsuspecting "Clergy"
Sorensen