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To: Cvengr
Cvengr. The Idea of "Imminence" is also a "modern invention" with the "Rapture fraud". Paul told the Thessalonians, to not "be soon shaken in mind" as if the
"Day of the Lord", (a limited time period, of the pouring out of God's WRATH, at Armageddon) had already come.
Paul goes on to say, "That there must be a falling away FIRST, and the MAN of SIN, (the personal ANTI-CHRIST ) be
revealed. This, together with God' revealed "timetable"
in the Old Testament, Indicates very precisely the time lines of events, doing away with the false Imminent theory. That is why the scriptures so often encourage our
"Patience", as we are waiting,and not to "grow weary", while waiting, which you would become if Immanency was your daily practice. I am open for speaking engagements on this subject,and on "Correct" Biblical Prophecy, which sad
to say, is not Taught in our Churches today. Now before any one thinks I am being "presumptuous" allow me to give some "evidence" of what I have just declared, in a next post. I shall give an example out of the Prophet Daniel,to
contrast Biblical "correct" understanding, as opposed to
the "Old systems of thought" that have been "handed down",
and repeated by unsuspecting "Clergy"
Sorensen
109 posted on 05/20/2004 7:10:29 AM PDT by Sorensen
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To: Sorensen
You wrote:
"That there must be a falling away FIRST, and the MAN of SIN, (the personal ANTI-CHRIST ) be revealed. This, together with God' revealed "timetable" in the Old Testament, Indicates very precisely the time lines of events, doing away with the false Imminent theory. That is why the scriptures so often encourage our "Patience", as we are waiting,and not to "grow weary", while waiting, which you would become if Immanency was your daily practice.

To which I say I am in total agreement.

(emphasis added)

113 posted on 05/20/2004 7:36:03 AM PDT by Teleosis
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To: Sorensen
Now, to explain the False and Erroneous Prophecy teachings,
here in the U.S., "dominated" by self proclaimed "Prophecy Guru's", Like, Hal Lindsey, Tim La Hay, Jack Van Impe,
Dave Reagan, John Ankerberg, Breese, Church, Dave Hunt,the young "upstart" and "alarmist", Perry Stone, as well as the "controlled clique" of "Prophecy Conferences", that dare not "allow" me to be on their program, for Fear of being "exposed", for their false teachings.

Let us look at one of their "popular" teachings on the book of Daniel, Particularly,Chapter Two,and Chapter Seven.
The emphatically claim that these two different accounts, deal with the same Biblical event,The Babylonian Empire.

I shall try to be brief, as I expect those of you who are interested in this subject, have some prior knowledge of it.
Dan. chapter two, deals with the Image,in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, that was made up of Gold-head, Silver-chest,Bronze-
Loins, and legs of Iron.( for this analysis, I shall not discuss the feet)
We all know , that this passage refers to the four Empires, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome.
But as we start study-ing Chapter Seven,here is where we
encounter the "subtly applied" Guru premise. They all declare unanimously, that this is THE SAME events as Chapter two,"from God's perspective"

The problem we have today, is that "History" is so poorly taught, not only in our schools, but in our "spiritual cemeteries" called "Seminaries"

If we consider the words of Chapter seven, Daniel declares, "in the FIRST YEAR of Belshazzar".
Who was Belshazzar? Well, these Guru's are telling the Christian populace, that he was the "Grandson" of King
Nebuchadnezzar.
Truth is, He was the GREAT Grandson, of Nebuchadnezzar!!!!

King Nebuchadnezzar, ruled Babylon for approx. 44 years.
His son Merodach,(which you can read about in the scriptures) ruled for approx.18 years. That brings us to the
62nd year, of the predicted 70 year exile to Babylon.

The Grandson of Nebuchadnezzar,was Nabonidus,he ruled for the entire last 8 years, until the destruction of Babylon, by Darius the Mede, and his son, Cyrus.

Belshazzar was the Son of Nabonidus, and was made Co-Regent, with his Dad, for the last three years of the Babylonian empire. ( That would be year 68, 69, and year 70, of the exile)
First thing to notice , is this, The words, "In the first year of Belshazzar", spoken in Dan.7, refers to year 68 of the captivity, which means, the Babylonian Empire is about over with. If we continue reading chapter 7, we find the Angel says to Daniel, about this vision of the four Beasts, that they are four Kings, that "SHALL ARISE", meaning future of the Babylonian Empire, which was on it's "last leg" so to speak. This text alone should make any Prophecy scholar, understand that this vision could NOT refer to the Babylonian Empire!!!!
Now , if we go to Rev.13, we find that the Lion, the Bear,
and the Leopard, all "make up" part of this fourth Beast, (spoken of in Dan.7) which is the "future" beast kingdom of the "Antichrist", and has noting to do with Babylon.

But of course, "we" ,have not understood the "arrogance" of the Prophecy Guru's, and theologians of our day, see , if they want to violate God's Word,(and your Intelligence) they ARE going to violate it, and wrongfully "superimpose"
this passage of Dan. 7 , "back" where it does NOT belong.
And they will continue sell their "books", and to try to keep me "out of the Pulpit" ,on their Conferences.

Do not for one moment think that I am so presumptuous , as to think, I am the "only one", who knows anything about the scriptures. I am merely pointing out Gross error and Gross deception, happening under our "noses", and nobody cares.

Well, You all pray for me, that the Truth will come out, and that "doors of Ministry" will open. I also, have a family to feed

Regards, Sorensen
117 posted on 05/20/2004 8:31:54 AM PDT by Sorensen
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To: Sorensen

Since you believe the Rapture is not imminent, Scripturally, what portion of Prophecy is stated to occur prior to the Rapture, which has not already occurred?


150 posted on 05/22/2004 5:37:10 PM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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