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To: Claud
I know this is a subject far beyond any of our humble intellects, but I think we can make a few tentative logical steps. Let's tease your suspicion out a bit. Say Mary's flesh (i.e. egg) was not used in the conception of Christ. We know Christ was fully human, and we know he had human flesh. So where did He get it? Well, I guess that first cell of His Holy Body would have had to be created ex nihilo (i.e. out of thin air) by God in Mary's womb. If so, then how is Christ said, properly, to be a member of the human race? He certainly would be of human *form* but he wouldn't have been descended from Adam or Abraham or David. The natural link to the family of man gets severed the instant you have God create Christ's body from scratch.

I appreciate your taking the time to entertain the thought. Don't you recall Jesus saying "God is able to of these stones raise up children unto Abraham". That one verse answers the whole question. Yes God can make a person from the air that is a son of Abraham therefore a member of the human race. "With God all things are possible". Even passing a camel through the eye of a needle.

161 posted on 05/07/2004 5:41:41 AM PDT by biblewonk (No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them.)
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To: biblewonk; sartorius
I appreciate your taking the time to entertain the thought. Don't you recall Jesus saying "God is able to of these stones raise up children unto Abraham". That one verse answers the whole question

Interesting parallel. We are both agreed that God can do what He pleases. No problem there. But it wouldn't have been *fitting* for Him to create Jesus ex nihilo, don't you think? To be a man takes more than just a body plan--it takes being born into the family so to speak. To be part of the spiritual and genetic chain. How do you understand "Son of Man" if not some kind of genetic connection with Adam's race? How do you understand the geneology of Christ? You're kind of making him a humanoid rather than a human--He looks like us, acts like us, but is really something altogether. I'm no theologian but it smacks of Nestorianism.

And then (again) there's the whole difficulty with the "you shall conceive" in the Gospel account. I'm with you on the Virgin Birth because that is a mystery specifically attested by the Gospel. The creation of Jesus' body ex nihilo however, is a presumption on the text and not an explicit teaching, or even a valid inference therefrom. Sure God *can* make Abraham's children out of stones--but *did* He do it in this particular instance? Frankly, I don't see any evidence that He did.

182 posted on 05/07/2004 5:03:15 PM PDT by Claud
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