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Don't back gays, bishop tells priests -- [Holy Bishop Olmsted alert]
The Arizona Republic ^ | April 28, 2004 | Michael Clancy

Posted on 04/28/2004 8:18:31 AM PDT by Phx_RC

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1 posted on 04/28/2004 8:18:31 AM PDT by Phx_RC
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To: Phx_RC
The people of Phoenix are truly blessed to have Bishop Olmsted.
2 posted on 04/28/2004 8:27:53 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (We fought the good fight but came up short)
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To: Phx_RC
It's so nice to hear some good news once in a while -- a bishop who stands up for what the Church teaches!
3 posted on 04/28/2004 8:28:47 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Phx_RC
Wideman said such positions cause the gay community to respond "to hell with the church, you're really not there for us."

Man... the gay community is so hard to keep gay!

More "outreach" is needed.


4 posted on 04/28/2004 8:59:44 AM PDT by heyheyhey
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To: Phx_RC; eastsider; Romulus; BlackElk
This is such good news. the battle is reaching fever pitch here in Phoenix. We are so fortunate to have a Bishop who is intelligent,humble and holy. There certainly has been years of praying,and we have had 24/7 Adoration at several churches out here for years.

Eastsider,our ex-bishop (Always Our Children,O'Brien) was preparing to go to Rome for his ad limina visit,can you believe his chutzpah? Anyway,because he is on probation the judge denied his request to leave the country.

5 posted on 04/28/2004 9:13:56 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Phx_RC
Thanks for posting this article. We need a pick me up in Pennsylvania after Toomey's heartbreaking loss last night.

I suppose we all could have worked a little bit harder and come up with the 2 percentage points to have beaten Specter. But I also know that the Catholic Church bears a good deal of the responsibility for not teaching more forcefully and faithfully these last few decades. Poorly catechized Catholics felt no sin in pulling that lever for pro-abortion, pro cloning, pro sodomy Arlen Specter.

6 posted on 04/28/2004 9:15:39 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Phx_RC
I love this Bishop!! What an authentic man and Shepherd.

"Are we going to jump on the priests signing this letter or is the real issue the violence against people because of their sexual orientation?" he said.

The real issue is dissent and promoting sin.
7 posted on 04/28/2004 9:30:01 AM PDT by johnb2004
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To: saradippity
Fletch Wideman, president of the local chapter of P-FLAG, or Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, said the priests "have had nothing but bad flak on this since Olmsted came."

"Bad Flak!"

8 posted on 04/28/2004 10:47:09 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Phx_RC
Meyer said the letter is troubling because its reflects a renewed "push for orthodoxy on social and sexual issues."

He says that like this is a bad thing.

"Donovan added that concerns were raised among church liberals by the bishop's activism on the abortion issue, his reinstatement of the Latin Mass and other issues."

Awwww...the poor liberals don't like the fact that this good and holy bishop actually takes the Church's teachings seriously. Tough! Gee, I'm starting to wish I had never moved away from the Phoenix area, now that they actually have a bishop with some spine.

9 posted on 04/28/2004 11:46:48 AM PDT by Conservative Iowan
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To: Phx_RC; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
Like a snowball rolling down a mountain, the momentum is picking up!

Bishop Olstead ping!

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list

10 posted on 04/28/2004 11:48:32 AM PDT by NYer (O Promise of God from age to age. O Flower of the Gospel!)
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To: All
From The Arizona Republic Page A14, April, 28, 2004:

Signers of Declaration

Nine Catholic priests signed the Phoenix Declaration, prepared by a Phoenix organization called No Longer Silent, Clergy for Justice.
They are:
--The Rev. Andre Boulanger, retired.
--The Rev. Scott Brubaker, pastor, St. Bridget, Mesa.
--The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor, Christ the King, Mesa.
--The Rev. John Cunningham, pastor, St. Mary Magdalene, Gilbert.
--The Rev. Hugo Gonzalez, pastor, St. Charles Borromeo, Peoria.
--The Rev. Matthew Mampara, associate, St. Mary Magdalene.
--The Rev. Vernon Meyer, Sunday associate, St. Patrick, Scottsdale.
--The Rev. Ray Ritari, pastor, St. Matthew, Phoenix.
--The Rev. Ken Van de Ven, pastor, St. James, Glendale.
--Also signing: Brother Doug Zlatis of St. Matthew.

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11 posted on 04/28/2004 1:49:31 PM PDT by Phx_RC (You Too can replace your bad bishop-- with constant continuous Prayerful Public Protests)
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For the latest (as of 3/31/2004) List of the signers of the No Longer Silent Declaration

On this list in addition to the above names is Rev. Nils F. Thompson, OFM, Phoenix

Also listed is Rev. Scott Ritchey, Scottsdale United Methodist Church, Scottsdale [Pastor].
Rev. Scott Ritchey is listed as Associate Pastor on the front of the 11/29/98 bulletin of Our Lady of the Valley "Catholic Community".
The Year 2000 Phoenix Diocesan Directory has Ritchey listed as: "On Leave".

The above named Rev. Scott Brubaker is shown on the same bulletin as Pastor.

How much effort did Brubaker make to strengthen the Catholic faith of his Associate Pastor?

Brubaker is listed in the same Diocesan Directory as: Vicar of the Office of Worship.
Lots of Luck!

An earlier list of No Longer Silent / Clergy of Justice Members
includes the name of a priest not in the "latest" list.
It is not known that either list is a complete list.

12 posted on 04/28/2004 3:18:55 PM PDT by Phx_RC (If you have a bad bishop, deal with that problem as a high priority, as an act of charity.)
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Up until recently the major effort against the No Longer Silent / Clergy for Justice group of souls at risk, has come from 247+ Protestant Pastors and Leaders from 143+ Arizona churches. They have signed up as being in support of Courage, Clarity, & Charity: A Phoenix Declaration
(To avoid confusion, remember that both groups use the words "Phoenix Declaration".)

In part the CCC-APD states that "Courage is needed to refute those who would call evil good and good evil. The example and teaching of the Lord Jesus and His apostles show clearly that false teachers are to be exposed and refuted so that the Church is protected (Acts 20:28-31; Romans 16:17-18; Titus 1:9; 2 Peter 2:1-3). In an age that tolerates everything but the truth, courage is needed to speak the truth in love in an uncompromising manner."

The CCC-APD continues with "The Bible provides a clear and consistent teaching in opposition to homosexuality. . .
Contrary to popularized agendas, the Bible and those who have officially taught Christianity throughout the ages have recognized the sinfulness of homosexuality. The interpretations of such teachers as Athenagorus, Tertullian, Origen, Cyprian, Lactantius, Eusebius, Athanasius, Chrysostom, and Augustine are unanimous. . ."

Now That is a fine example true Christian cooperation (I avoid the "E word").
The letters "St." normally appear in front of some of the names in the previous paragraph, but now is not the time to quibble.
Also the use of the letters CCC-APD is just local to this post.

13 posted on 04/28/2004 4:10:59 PM PDT by Phx_RC (If you have a bad bishop, deal with that problem as a high priority, as an act of charity.)
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To: Conservative Iowan; dubyaismypresident; Unam Sanctam; heyheyhey; old and tired; johnb2004; ...
Rev. Vernon Meyer finds that the letter he received from Bishop Olmsted is troubling.
Meyer ought to be troubled since he seems to have been a leader among the initial 60 Valley Clerics to sign the No Longer Silent Declaration in January of 2003.
He probably will be troubled again when the Bishop learns that a few years ago, he wrote in a letter to the Editor of the Diocesan newspaper, The Catholic Sun, that he is a "proud member" of "Call To Action".
The parish, St. Patrick's in Scottsdale, where he is a "Sunday Associate", is well known for its liberalism.

Tom Donovan is probably also a bit troubled. He ought to be as a member of Call To Action. Of course Donovan has an additional reason to be troubled since he "attends 'services' at the Franciscan Renewal Center which is on the USA List of 'Gay Friendly' Parishes and well worth (begging for) an investigation.

The CTA/AZ Newsletter of March, 2000 contains information:
-About Meyer sharing "new perspectives on American Catholicism and American Culture" on June 8, 2000 for CTA members and guests.
-That Donovan is the Treasurer and Member of the Board of Directors of CTA/AZ.
-And some insight, on page 2, of the early relationship between the people of NLS-CFJ and CTA/AZ in the promotion by the "Clergy for Justice" of "two published authors on the Bible and Homosexuality" held at Asbury United Methodist Church on April 28, 2000. Asbury plays a leadership role in NLS.
-That a (current?/former?) Diocesan employee is a CTA member, a member of the CTA/AZ Board, and the Co-Editor of the CTA/AZ New Directions newsletter.

The CTA/AZ Newsletter of May, 1999 contains information:
-On Page 6 about "An Evening with Fr. Vernon Meyer held on May 13, 1999 at St. Stephen's Episcopal Church Campus. The notice states that: "Vernon is leaving the Valley in August 1999 for several years to do doctoral work at the University of Dayton in Theology and Culture. The evening program is a celebration of Vernon's prophetic ministry among us. He will present on the topic, 'A Vision of An Authentic Church for the Future.' Come and celebrate with Vernon and wish him well in his new pursuits."

This sign is for everything diverse that is not sinful.
It lists the 2 causes of our Church problems as stated
by Bp. F.B. at the USCCB meeting in Dallas.
It is against Dissent and Sodomy.

Note: See the previous posts on this thread for more details intended to assist others in their research.
More details will be posted as time and events permit.

14 posted on 04/29/2004 5:08:18 PM PDT by Phx_RC (God bless the good bishops, may God have mercy on the bad bishops.)
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To: saradippity; kstewskis; Jeff Chandler; NYer; TotusTuus; gbcdoj; Canticle_of_Deborah; rogator; ...
Below is an example of the continuing abuse of the word "diversity".
We are called to Sinless Diversity -- Holy Diversity,
NOT to DISSENT against Church teachings, and
NOT to SODOMY whether by participation or by promoting lifestyles that lead to it.

The Call-To-Action CTA/AZ "New Directions" Newsletter of May, 1999 contains the following about two of the priests who have signed the NLS Declaration:

-On Page 3 under Affirmations
"Fr. Ray Ritari has been a prophet in our midst. In response to some malicious, outlandish talk by some Arizona legislators about gay and lesbian persons. Ray has written and spoken eloquently about the human dignity of all persons and bigotry and homophobia expressed by legislators and others. Ray's original letter speaking of human dignity of gay and lesbian persons appeared in the Arizona Republic. His letter was subsequently republished in the Catholic Sun. When many letters in the Catholic Sun attacked Ray's letter and some Ray personally, Fr. John Cunningham wrote a letter of affirmation and support of Ray again challenging us all to overcome our prejudices and bigotry. We thank these men for being prophets in our midst, for preaching the dignity of all persons in the marketplace despite the obvious backlash and at personal risk. Thanks for being such bold courageous followers of Jesus Christ and calling for an inclusive Church where all are welcome.

Rev. Gomez is a Yaqui Indian who serves at a small parish that 'has transitioned from European Americans to become more people of color: Native American, Hispanic and African American.' Ray insists, 'We will fulfill our mission by being multicultural, honoring diversity, and welcoming people as they are -- using and encouraging shared leadership -- and being a witness through our faith actions in the community.' Have faith, CTA, we are on the right path; spreading the gospel message."

-Fr. Raymond J. Ritari's first name is not "Ray", it is Father, until the Pope decides otherwise.

-Holy diversity of cultures is wonderful and broadens our perspectives,
But our perspectives should Not be broadened unto Sin and anything contrary to Church teaching.


-The underlines have been added.

Please review Posts# 11-14 of this thread.

Related threads:
Priest suspended over communion (4/30/2004) [Error, ignore bracketed part of this title]
New bishop shows his view of gays (5/1/2004)

15 posted on 05/02/2004 11:33:29 AM PDT by Phx_RC (The good bishops deserve and need our fervent and continuing support.)
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Fr. Ray was the associate pastor at St. Mary's in Chandler when we first joined the parish in the early '80s. He was a newly ordained priest at the time.

When Fr. Ray's time at St. Mary's was over, we were informed that he was experiencing a "crisis" over whether or not he should continue in the priesthood. He took a sabbatical in New Mexico for a while before deciding to remain in the priesthood. Since he has been vocal in the pro-homosexual movement, I can't help but wonder if he wasn't sent to the infamous Servants of the Paraclete center?
16 posted on 05/02/2004 11:50:25 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Phx_RC
the Franciscan Renewal Center which is on the USA List of 'Gay Friendly' Parishes and well worth (begging for) an investigation.

I have no doubt it will be.

17 posted on 05/02/2004 11:51:40 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Why the long face, John?)
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To: Phx_RC
Bishop to be praised for his moral courage

The Arizona Republic -- Opinions online print edition
May. 1, 2004 12:00 AM -- Link to Article

Kudos to Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted for his moral courage in calling for nine Roman Catholic priests to remove their names from a pro-homosexual document.

In a day of sexual anarchy Bishop Olmsted is standing upon the sure foundations of ancient Christendom.

Modern-day revisionist tendencies among certain clergy are founded not upon the text of Holy Scripture but upon the shifting whims of what is currently culturally acceptable.

It should be noted, as well, that Protestants have not been silent about the pro-homosexual declarations circulating about.

A document titled Courage, Clarity, and Charity," which endorses the traditional viewpoint of the Christian church on homosexuality, has been signed by 248 Phoenix church leaders representing 144 churches and organizations.

Please see for more details. -

Richard J. Klaus, Phoenix
The writer is a co-author of "Courage, Clarity, and Charity," and an elder at Emmanuel Covenant Church.

[To avoid confusion, remember that both groups use the words "Phoenix Declaration".]

18 posted on 05/04/2004 11:25:50 PM PDT by Phx_RC (This is a fine example of Christians working together doing the work of God.)
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Church rules smothering compassion

The Arizona Republic - Opinions online print edition
May. 5, 2004 12:00 AM -- Link to the Opinion Article

Regarding Phoenix Bishop Thomas Olmsted's order to the nine priests:

My awareness through Bible passages is that Jesus, often to the horror of his apostles, consistently offered God's love to marginalized and disenfranchised peoples of all kinds, regardless of who they were.

These marginalized peoples were brought to the inclusion, love, solace and peace that He offered.

In our current society, there seem to be major figureheads who have forgotten these basic teachings in the swirl of rules and regulations that were initially instituted to organize these teachings.

It now becomes more obvious to me that the rules and regulations made by man overrule the compassionate heart given to us by God's teachings.

I applaud the nine priests who are willing to follow the compassionate heart.

-- Barbara Rossman, Scottsdale

19 posted on 05/05/2004 5:16:35 PM PDT by Phx_RC (Yet another soul wandering in the wilderness of Error...... or maybe NLS or CTA related.)
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To: Phx_RC
Has Bishop Olmsted received a DZ (Doctor of Zottage) degree from the Viking Kitty School of Troll Zapping?
20 posted on 05/05/2004 6:05:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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