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(Spanish) Cathedral may see return of Muslims
The Guardian ^ | April 19, 2004 | Ben Sills

Posted on 04/19/2004 7:10:38 AM PDT by NYer

Muslims across Spain are lobbying the Roman Catholic church in the southern city of Córdoba to make a symbolic gesture of reconciliation between faiths by allowing them to pray in the city's cathedral.

Córdoba's renaissance cathedral sits in the centre of an ancient mosque complex, and local Muslims want to be allowed to pray there again. They have appealed to the Vatican to intercede on their behalf.

Zakarias Maza, the director of the Taqwa mosque in neighbouring Granada, said yesterday: "We hope the Vatican will give a signal that it has a vision of openness and dialogue.

"It would be good if there were a gesture of tolerance on their part.

"Córdoba has been a symbol of the union of three cultures for centuries. Even now, Jews and Muslims live together with Christians in the neighbourhood around the mosque."

But he added: "The church council doesn't seem to be open to dialogue."

The Muslim community in the south of Spain is growing as a result of immigration from north Africa, and due to Spaniards converting. Córdoba now has some 500 Muslims, too manyfor the city's existing mosque.

There was widespread rejoicing among Muslims last year when a new and prominent mosque was opened in Granada after many years of negotiations, but church leaders in Córdoba appear reluctant to acknowledge the way Spanish society is evolving.

A spokesman for the local bishop told El Mundo that the proposal faced a lot of obstacles and it would be many years before it came to anything.

The proposals have also provoked anger in some parts of Spain's Catholic community.

"Will Christians be able to pray in the mosques of Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Iran or Kuwait?" demanded one contributor to a Catholic website. "Muslims should practise what they preach!"

The Muslim community is going out of its way to portray the proposals as a union, and not a clash of faiths. "In no way is this request about reclaiming our rights - far less any kind of reconquest," Isabel Romero, a member of the Islamic Council of Spain, told a local newspaper.

"Instead, we want to give our support to the universal character of this building."

Nowadays, Córdoba is a small provincial capital in one of the poorer regions in the Spanish interior, but 1,000 years ago it was one of the great cities of the world.

As the capital of Moorish Spain, Córdoba became one of Islam's holiest places, and a centre of Islamic art and scholarship to rival Baghdad.

The original mosque was built in the eighth century, following the conquest.

It was expanded by successive generations of rulers until the city was taken by the Christians again in the 13th century.

With its hundreds of marble columns and distinctive red-and-white brickwork, the mosque is considered one of Moorish Spain's greatest legacies, despite the 16th-century addition of the cathedral in its centre.

It stands at the heart of a Unesco world heritage site.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; History; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology; Worship
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Cordoba Cathedral

After the conquest of Granada, King Charles V decided the construction of a Cathedral that would surpass the Mosque in height while respecting the latter.

1 posted on 04/19/2004 7:10:38 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp IV; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ..

MOSQUE OF CÓRDOBA

In 780 AD, begin the construction of the biggest mosque the world had ever known over the structure of what it was known as the visgothic church of Saint Vincent.

The 23,400 square meters that occupies the actual mosque with almost 500 columns and superimposed arches, they are the partial creation of Abderramán I, of Abderramán II, of Alhaken II and of Almanzor already by the year 987 AD. It is considered the epitome of the caifal art, and its fantastic forest of columns and arches in its interior is one of the most beautiful spaces ever constructed in a house of worship. The orientation of the Mihrab, curiously is not towards Meccah. In 1253, at the center of its complex, a Christian cathedral is built.

2 posted on 04/19/2004 7:13:56 AM PDT by NYer (O Promise of God from age to age. O Flower of the Gospel!)
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To: NYer
At the moment, I am thinking how proud I am of my CELTIC Spanish heritage.
3 posted on 04/19/2004 7:18:32 AM PDT by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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To: NYer
Allowing Muslims to come into a Christian place of worship so they can proclaim "God has no son" would be giving official permission to desecrate the space.

I agree with the poster who suggested we wait until the first church becomes operational in Saudi Arabia before further consideration is given to this.
4 posted on 04/19/2004 7:20:11 AM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: NYer
Muslims across Spain are lobbying the Roman Catholic church in the southern city of Córdoba to make a symbolic gesture of reconciliation between faiths by allowing them to pray in the city's cathedral.

And as a gesture of reconciliation, I suggest that the Mohammedans allow Christians to practice their religion freely in all formerly Christian lands conquered by Mohammedans, which would be the entire Mohammedan world.

5 posted on 04/19/2004 7:48:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer; Yehuda; Alouette; dennisw; 2sheep; Prodigal Daughter; yonif; Diogenesis; Simcha7
Muslims across Spain are lobbying the Roman Catholic church in the southern city of Córdoba to make a symbolic gesture of reconciliation between faiths by allowing them to pray in the city's cathedral.

Why should this or any church perform a Muslim outreach "gesture of reconcilliation"? What do they need to reconcile? How about the Muslims reconcile with the West by slithering away? Talk about a lie from the mouth of the Serpent. Isn't there a little fairy tale about a kid being convinced by a serpent to "pet me"? Maybe someone can recall how the story goes. It doesn't end well, I know that much.

Córdoba's renaissance cathedral sits in the centre of an ancient mosque complex, and local Muslims want to be allowed to pray there again. They have appealed to the Vatican to intercede on their behalf.

Well well, then what's the problem with Jews praying on the Temple Mount?

6 posted on 04/19/2004 8:04:00 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: NYer
One often stated goal of the Islamic militants is the retaking of Spain. Cordova is viewed as a symbol of the pinnacle of Islamic civilization.

If they are allowed to pray in the Cathedral, it will soon be a mosque. The next tactic will be to claim to the EU or someone that the Christians should be banned from this "Holy Place of Islam" as they have never had a "true" claim to it. Look at the site of the Temple in Jerusalem.

If the Church in Spain is so idiotic as to let this happen (which I doubt by the way!) then there are fewer Christians in Spain than I thought!

BTW, if you think this is bad, what till someone begins to petition for Muslim prayers in the Vatican!
7 posted on 04/19/2004 8:04:02 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: Desdemona; FormerLib
Let's see if this happens. After the Tibetan Buddhist monks were invited to a cathedral recently, anything is possible.
8 posted on 04/19/2004 8:07:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; dennisw; Yehuda; Alouette
As the capital of Moorish Spain, Córdoba became one of Islam's holiest places, and a centre of Islamic art and scholarship to rival Baghdad.

Once an Islamic holy place, always an Islamic holy place. I smell a "right of return" coming on.

And this reminds me... it seems like the news readers can't even mention a city in Iraq, without prefacing it with "the holy city of [insert name of city]". "Holy" must be an adjective meaning "overflowing with blood and death" in Arabic.

9 posted on 04/19/2004 8:15:28 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: NYer; FormerLib; Thinkin' Gal; Desdemona; Aquinasfan
In 780 AD, begin the construction of the biggest mosque the world had ever known over the structure of what it was known as the visgothic church of Saint Vincent.

So they leveled our Church to put in their Mosque, and now they claim we are the ones being prickly because we won't let them deny Crist in a restored formerly desecrated Christian Church? F*** 'em.

Where's Charles Martel and El Cid when you need them?

10 posted on 04/19/2004 8:25:39 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Where's Charles Martel and El Cid when you need them?

Long gone, I'm afraid.

A liberal colleague was celebrating Spain's imminent withdrawal from Iraq today. "That'll send a message to Bush!"

Usually I ignore the diatribes, but today I said, "That they couldn't wait to surrender?"

You can imagine the rest.

The surrender continues.

Remember the Sudetenland.

11 posted on 04/19/2004 8:31:55 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Once an Islamic holy place, always an Islamic holy place.

And once a Mohammedan land, always a Mohammedan land. So that gives them Europe all the way up to Vienna.

12 posted on 04/19/2004 8:34:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: NYer
Once Muslims pray in any place it becomes by definition a mosque and non-Muslims are no longer allowed to enter.
13 posted on 04/19/2004 8:35:32 AM PDT by Alouette (A nasty end, and I wish I needn't have seen it; but it's a good riddance.)
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To: Pyro7480
I have my doubts that it will happen, but Moorish Spain is really going to need to wake up and soon.
14 posted on 04/19/2004 8:39:04 AM PDT by Desdemona (Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.)
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To: NYer
This is just sick.

Wake up, Spain!

15 posted on 04/19/2004 8:40:31 AM PDT by B Knotts (Salve!)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
And I'm sure you've noted the respect with which they've been treating the Orthodox Christian Churches in Kosovo.
16 posted on 04/19/2004 8:45:33 AM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: Alouette; NYer; dennisw; 2sheep; Prodigal Daughter; Simcha7
Once Muslims pray in any place it becomes by definition a mosque and non-Muslims are no longer allowed to enter.

Muslims pray with Washington Monument in rear.

17 posted on 04/19/2004 8:48:15 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; Aquinasfan
So they leveled our Church to put in their Mosque, and now they claim we are the ones being prickly because we won't let them deny Crist in a restored formerly desecrated Christian Church? F*** 'em.

Ibraham Hooper would say that you are not very Christian, tolerant, or loving.

18 posted on 04/19/2004 8:53:28 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: NYer
I think this is a great idea! Muslims can pray in the cathedral in Cordoba as often as they like ... just as soon as Orthodox or Catholic Christians, or both, can celebrate the Divine Liturgy daily in Agia Sophia in Istanbul.
19 posted on 04/19/2004 9:19:19 AM PDT by Campion
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To: NYer
When the Muslims allow Jews to pray at the Dome of the Rock which is built on the very foundation of the Second Temple, then and only then should these Muslims requests even be considered.
20 posted on 04/19/2004 9:28:19 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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