[orionblamblam]

> the only problem here is that both Shroudie and I are debating a Zealot for atheism

Ummm... I defy you to show where I've mentioned the existence or non-existence of any god or other anywhere in this thread. Whether the Shroud or Turin, or the Shroud of Bayonne for that matter, is 650 years old or 1970 years old does not affectGod one way or the other. If God exists, findign out that many relics are frauds will not make him disappear into a puff of logic.

The fact that you wish to turn a debate over the authenticity of an artifact into an irrelevant slap-fest over the existence of your preferred God says much about you.

[Swordmaker]

I defy you to show where I've mentioned the existence or non-existence of any god or other anywhere in this thread.

Orionblamblam, Reply # 51: "A Jesus of Nazareth may well have existed. But as to him having been anything other than a guy... evidence is entirely lacking."

Orionblamblam, Reply 46: "One True Shroud Of the Theoretical Jesus."

You do know that over 2 BILLION people consider Jesus to be God?

(Incidentally, both the Book of Mormon and the Koran attribute miracles to Jesus. I will grant you the possibility of Scientology, but without knowledge as I don't know what their "holy" books say about Jesus.)

Then there is also that comment you made about the "baby Elvis" and a tortilla... but then, contrary to some of his worshipers, I kinda agree that Elvis isn't a god. :^)

[Swordmaker]

The fact that you wish to turn a debate over the authenticity of an artifact into an irrelevant slap-fest over the existence of your preferred God says much about you.

Sorry, that gets you nowhere, Orion.

It was YOU that first accused Shroudie of being a Zealot. It was YOU who have attempted to turn this into a slap fest with snide comments and derogatory remarks. It is you who refuse to recognize world class scientist's results and YOU who have kept stating nonsense as fact despite our presentation of the current science which has been published in peer reviewed journals.