[shroudie]

There is pollen on the Shroud, and based on peer-reviewed reports, it can be identified as highly likely coming from the environs of Jerusalem.

As for reasons that the carbon 14 dating is invalid it is unlikely that it is a result of scorching heat effects or a bioplastic growth covering the fibers. RATHER is is because, despite the best intentions of the radiocarbon dating scientists, valid samples were not obtained. This was demonstrated statistically from the test results; it was demonstrated by textile analysis; it was demonstrated by chemical analysis. We now know that the carbon 14 tests are good tests for a non-homogenious sample of cloth consisting largely of medieval fibers used to repair the cloth. That is certain and the tests are invalid.

[Swordmaker]

There is pollen on the Shroud, and based on peer-reviewed reports, it can be identified as highly likely coming from the environs of Jerusalem.

More correctly, shroudie: "There is pollen on the Shroud, and based on peer-reviewed reports, some of them can be identified as highly likely coming from the environs of Jerusalem."

In actual fact, there are pollen from everyplace that we know or suspect either the Shroud or the Image of Edessa has been. The European pollens are easily explicable because of its presence in Europe for the last 650 years (known beyond any doubt), but the existence of pollen from the area around Jerusalem would be remarkable IF the Shroud were a medieval pious hoax since we also know, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it has not left Europe since 1352.

[DestroytheDemocrats]

"That is certain and the tests are invalid. "

I think so too.