Reuters PHOTO: "ROMAN CATHOLIC" John Kerry takes communion at AME Church [Is this kosher?]

REUTERS photo (via the Drudge thread) ^ | April 4, 2004 | RonDog

[RonDog]

Perhaps someone on the RELIGION forum can help us.

On tonight's Drudge thread there is some question as to the propriety of a ROMAN CATHOLIC taking communion in a NON-Catholic church.

See, for instance, my post 321:

To: tgslTakoma

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

Sun Apr 4, 3:16 PM ET

Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator John Kerry
(news - web sites) (D-Ma) and his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry (2nd from L)
kneel in prayer with Boston Mayor Tom Menino (3rd from L)
and his wife Angela as they wait to be served communion
during church services at the Charles Street AME Church
in the Dorchester section of Boston April 4, 2004.
REUTERS/Jim Bourg US ELECTION

The AP and Reuters stories said that he did take communion. Kerry attended Palm Sunday services, but not at a Catholic Church; he went to the Charles Street AME Church in Boston to take Communion.

(It's been a very long time since my Catholic school religion classes, but I seem to remember that it's a big no-no for a Catholic to take Communion in other than a Catholic church. Maybe that rule has changed...)

From Yahoo! NEWS photos:

[Romish_Papist]

"Where do the Maronite catholics fall in regards to this? They never broke union with Rome but they are an Eastern Rite of the church, so what's the deal? Honest question from an RC, I truly don't know."

Nevermind, I answered it for myself, since the head of the Maronite catholic church answers to the pope, then the question of union and validity is obvious. Confused myself there for a sec. :)

[Robert Drobot]

His Bishop has already addressed that issue, for Kerry and for all pro-aborts in that diocese.

The suspense is incredible. What exactly did the good bishop proclaim?

[Robert Drobot]

Dare I say, you've struck a "bingo" with your post # 47!!!

[Robert Drobot]

How come the AME congregants get to kneel for Communion and I don't??

Because they haven't had a V2 overthrow of Sacred Tradition, and over two thousand years of infallible ex cathedra teaching?

[GraceCoolidge]

Then there is the mushy middle. They might care, it depends on how its presented to them, and whether they think he has crossed lines or not.

I am wondering if this photo op is intended to confuse the issue about Kerry being told not to receive communion in the Catholic church? I suspect a fair number of people might see the photo and think, "See, he can receive communion, it's no big deal." The finer points about him receiving it in further violation of the Catholic faith will probably go right over their heads. To those ignorant of Catholicism (like, say, most of the mainstream media), communion is communion... you're just talking about those fussy Catholic rules again that no one pays any attention to... and by the way, is that Teresa there receiving communion as well?

[SoothingDave]

If I were to marry a girl who is Catholic, and we were to marry at my church instead of hers than would our marriage be recognized in her Church's eyes?

Provided you went through proper channels, yes. The Catholic girl would normally be required to have a Catholic wedding. But it is possible to receive a dispensation to marry in another Church. As long as this is done, all would be hunky dory.

Now, the Catholic Church would probably want you to go through their pre-marital counseling, especially because a mixed marriage presents particular problems for the questino of how to raise children.

SD

[Lion in Winter]

The Eastern Rite is another form of Roman Catholic Church. They are not part of the EASTERN ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

[Lion in Winter]

The Eastern Orthodox never kneeled for Eucharist.... not even before the schism in 1054. Kneeling was a Roman(Italty) Catholic tradition.

[ThomasMore]

NOT PERMISSABLE!

Deacon Francis

[Blue Scourge]

As far as I have ever seen, there wouldn't be a problem. We have people leave all the time to marry into other denominations, I don't remember seeing any rucus caused by it.

[Blue Scourge]

Thanks for the info....Not knocking Catholicism, but I would more than likely want to raise my children by the standards I was raised.

I was raised a Baptist, but....for the most part I feel that Catholics and a majority of the Christian denominations have many of the same standards on raising a child. I had a friend who married into a Catholic family and I remember her having to go to classes at his parish. Remember hearing some things about raising their children in the Catholic churh and other odds and ends.

That would probably be the only snag for me, I'm solid in my faith where I am. I don't believe that I would change that if I were to marry a Catholic women.

Interesting conversation...thanks again for the info.

[SoothingDave]

Not knocking Catholicism, but I would more than likely want to raise my children by the standards I was raised.

As far as I understand it, the Catholic Church desires that any children be brought up Catholic. It is even a part of the wedding ceremony, that the couple promises to be open to children and to raise them up in the Faith.

I think it important that people address these isssues before getting married, however they are resolved.

SD

[patent]

Archbishop O'Malley:


WASHINGTON, DC, January 23, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In an interview with LifeSiteNews.com following the Vigil for Life Mass in Washington Wednesday, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley expressed his great desire for a renewal of faith among Catholics. Asked about the problem of Catholic politicians promoting abortion, the Archbishop noted that the problem "is not only politicians but those (Catholics) who vote for them." He stressed repeatedly the "great need for adult catechesis among our people."

"These politicians should know that if they're not voting correctly on these life issues that they shouldn't dare come to communion," the Archbishop told LifeSiteNews.com.

Archbishop O'Malley noted that beyond pro-abortion politicians, that reception of Holy Communion by those not in a state of grace is sadly commonplace. "I think it's in the context of a greater problem - Catholics feel that everyone is entitled to go to communion all the time. That has to be addressed. You know if a (pro-abortion) politician asked me I would say you shouldn't go to communion, I wouldn't go to communion. They don't understand why." He explained, "At a funeral sometimes they will announce that communion is for Catholics and people get all offended, so we've lost the notion of the sacredness of communion and the kind of disposition we need to have."

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and

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If you are a politician and you feel that you cannot be in favor of life and enjoy the support of your party or constituency, it is time for you to seek other employment before it is too late. Yet, I still hope that a politician of whatever party, with the courage of his or her convictions, could be elected by a conscientious electorate where so many profess to be believers. We must encourage our political parties to make room for men and women who are defenders of life.

I have not said for whom I shall vote, but I will tell you for whom I will not vote. I will not vote for any politician who will promote abortion or the culture of death, no matter how appealing the rest of his or her program might be. They are wolves in sheep’s garments, the K.K.K. without the sheets, and sadly enough, they don’t even know it.

If I were ever tempted to vote for simply selfish reasons, tribal allegiances, or economic advantages rather than on the moral direction of the country, I should beat a hasty retreat from the curtain of the polling booth to the curtain of the confessional.

[Codie]

Where does Bush stand on abortion rights?

[GirlShortstop]

Mr. Kerry apparently meant John XXIII, as there is no Pius XXIII.

As my mother would say, with a roll of her eyes:  "Whip-tee-do-dah-dey!!"  No press is bad press and all, but c'mon to be so utterly ignorant?!  I hope he really feels embarrassed.

Whew....  shaking my head

Thanks sandyeggo for the ping.

[patent]

>>>>Mr. Kerry became combative when told that some conservatives were criticizing him for being a Roman Catholic who supported policies, like abortion rights and same-sex unions, that are at odds with Catholic teaching. "Who are they?" he demanded of his questioner. "Name them. Are they the same legislators who vote for the death penalty, which is in contravention of Catholic teaching?"

Yo, John, over here: www.catholicsagainstkerry.com

[patent]

>>>allows for freedom of conscience for Catholics with respect to these choices, and that is exactly where I am.

Any guesses which V2 document he is trying to talk about? I should probably know, but I'm tired right now and can't come up with it.

patent

[Conservative til I die]

Absolutely forbidden.