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Catholic Confusion at the Very Top (Part IV)
New Oxford Review | March 2004 | David Palm

Posted on 04/04/2004 4:01:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480

(Reprinted with permission from NEW OXFORD REVIEW, 1069 Kains Ave., Berkeley, CA 94706, U.S.A.)

Part I here
Part II here
Part III here

Liturgical Abuse

Faithful Catholics are rightly put off by the spectacle of priests and bishops breaking even the Church's much-relaxed liturgical norms, turning the Mass into a veritable showcase of liturgical abuse. All faithful Catholics are rightly repulsed by prelates dressed in rainbow-colored vestments, liturgies featuring dancing girls in defiance of a 1976 Vatican ruling, clergy sitting by while lay "ministers" distribute Holy Communion, and various pagan rituals incorporated into the Mass. And yet, sad as it may be, these and other liturgical anomalies are frequently in evidence even at papal Masses. What recourse is there in the fight against liturgical abuse when liturgical norms are not even upheld when the Pope celebraes Mass before hundreds of thousands?

Another factor that has bedevild attempts to set the liturgy back on a sane and solid footing has been the repeated willingness of the Holy See to reward liturgical disobedience. We all know the examples: Mass said facing the people, Communion in the hand to standing recepients by lay people of either gender, Communion of both species given at every Mass, the priest ad-libbing prayers, female lectors, female altar servers, etc. Experience has taught liturgical abusers that if they hold out long enough and make the abuse sufficiently widespread, the Vatican will eventually legalize the abuse. All to often, the abuse-now-turned-legal later comes to be officially trumpeted as a great boon to the Church. For example, one would wish that it was only with the greatest reluctance and with a continuing disapproval that the Holy Father broke with a 2,000-year-old continuous Catholic tradition of male-only altar service, reversing the direct condemnations of several popes, including his own in Inestimabile Donum. But it appears not to be the case. Rather, in his Angelus address (Sept. 5, 1995) the Holy Father affirmed:

"To a large extent, it is a question of making full use of the ample room for a lay and feminine presence recognized by the Church's law. I am thinking, for example, of theological teaching, the forms of liturgical ministry permiited, including service at the altar.... Who can imagine the great advantages to pastoral care and the new beauty that the Church's face will assume, when the feminine genius is fully involved in the various areas of her life?" (emphasis mine)

This vision of an ever-evolving and inculturated (a culture-determined) liturgy which emanates from the very top of the Church's hierarchy tends materially to undermine the work of groups such as Adoremus, which seek to move the Novus Ordo Mass in a more traditional direction. While the present Holy Father is certainly tolderant of an Adoremus-style celebration of the Novus Ordo, it cannot be said that he actively promotes it as the "true interpretation" of Vatican II. The most tangible evidence of this is the way in which his public Masses are celebrated. They are frequently worlds apart from the kind of liturgical celebration argued for by Adoremus. And the "progressive" nature of papal Masses is far from accidential, given that since 1987 he has had as has Mater of Pontifical Ceremonies one Piero Marini. Marini was the personal security of none other than Msgr. Annibale Bugnini, the chief architect of the liturgical "reforms" that have resulted in what the great liturgical scholar Msgr. Klaus Gamber has called "real destruction of the traditional Mass,... the traditional Roman rite with a history of more than one thousand years." Marini would by any historical standard be considered a liturgical radical and yet he is given wide latitude in crafting the most widely viewed Masses in the entire Church. Accordng to John L. Allen Jr. in the National Catholic Reporter (June 20, 2003);

"Marini...has the responsibility for putting liturgical principles into practice on the largest stage in the Catholic church, both in Rome and wherever John Paul goes around the globe.... More people have watched Masses planned by Marini than by any other liturgist in the world, which gives him enormous power to shape the public idea of what Catholic worship is all about

At times, this puts Marini in tension with some Vatican colleagues who don't share his reform-minded approach. Purists likewise sometimes complain that Marini's liturgies look too much like Broadway production numbers.

It's clear, however, that Marini has John's Paul's confidence. He has been dubbed the pope's "guardian angel" by the Italian press because he is forever at his side, handing him the pages of a talk, helping him into position. Marini shares this intimacy with two other men: John Paul's private secretary Bishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, and the head of the papal household, Milwaukee native Bishop James Harvey. As a sign of their special fraternity, the three men were ordained bishops together by the pope in a special ceremony on March 19, 1998."

As an added honor, all three men were elevated to the rank of archbishop at the same time the most recent group of bishops were named as cardinals. Is it any wonder that the liturgy in the Roman Rite is in a constant state of flux, when its most public implementation has been delegated by the Holy Father to a notorious liturgical innovator?

Conclusion

Truly, these are confusing times in the Catholic Church. I have tried to clarify that the source of at least some of this confusion is found in a place that many orthodox Catholics have been unwilling to examine. Until relatively recently, I shared this resistance. I expect there will be those who proclaim that this is all just "Pope bashing." It is not. Any annoyance with what I've written should at least be tempered by a realistic evaluation of the concrete examples that have been presented (and, unfortunately, a great many more could be).

We must remain cognizant of the fact that not every word spoken or action taken by the Pope is done in his capacity as the Universal Pastor. In fact, the vast majority of them are not. Having said this, one must immediately acknowledge that certainly there is clearly a grave danger in falsely concluding, as liberals do, that we can simply ignore the Pope when his opinions clash with our own, so long as he is not speaking ex cathedra. We must continue to reject and expose such pernicious error. Yet, we cannot continue to ignore the danger of the opposite extreme, an extreme which faithful Catholics are most prone to embrace in reaction the disobedience of liberals - that is, hyper-obedience. Such hyper-obedience is, in reality, a well-intentioned by humanistic attempt to counterbalance error and is thus itself an error. We all agree, in principle, that it is wrong to imbue the Pope's every example and utterance with infallibility. Yet, in practice, it seem that too many of us are driven to precisely this mistake.

The Catholic Church is directly established by our Lord Jesus Christ and enjoys His solemn promise that "I will be with you always, even unto the end of the age" and that "the gates of Hell will not prevail" against His Church. We do not trust in princes - even sometimes the princes of the Church - but in the solemn promises of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church will never defect from the Faith - our Lord has promised this. It is on the basis of this divine promise that we can "not be afraid" to look more honestly and prudently at some of the causes of the present confusion in the Church.


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1 posted on 04/04/2004 4:01:06 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...
Part IV ping!!!!
2 posted on 04/04/2004 4:06:28 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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I have tried to clarify that the source of at least some of this confusion is found in a place that many orthodox Catholics have been unwilling to examine. Until relatively recently, I shared this resistance. I expect there will be those who proclaim that this is all just "Pope bashing." It is not. Any annoyance with what I've written should at least be tempered by a realistic evaluation of the concrete examples that have been presented

Yet, we cannot continue to ignore the danger of the opposite extreme, an extreme which faithful Catholics are most prone to embrace in reaction the disobedience of liberals - that is, hyper-obedience. Such hyper-obedience is, in reality, a well-intentioned by humanistic attempt to counterbalance error and is thus itself an error. We all agree, in principle, that it is wrong to imbue the Pope's every example and utterance with infallibility. Yet, in practice, it seem that too many of us are driven to precisely this mistake.

Words to reflect on ping!

3 posted on 04/04/2004 4:06:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Pyro7480
Yet, we cannot continue to ignore the danger of the opposite extreme, an extreme which faithful Catholics are most prone to embrace in reaction the disobedience of liberals - that is, hyper-obedience. Such hyper-obedience is, in reality, a well-intentioned by humanistic attempt to counterbalance error and is thus itself an error. We all agree, in principle, that it is wrong to imbue the Pope's every example and utterance with infallibility. Yet, in practice, it seem that too many of us are driven to precisely this mistake.


5 posted on 04/04/2004 4:31:55 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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To: Pyro7480
"To a large extent, it is a question of making full use of the ample room for a lay and feminine presence recognized by the Church's law. I am thinking, for example, of theological teaching, the forms of liturgical ministry permiited, including service at the altar.... Who can imagine the great advantages to pastoral care and the new beauty that the Church's face will assume, when the feminine genius is fully involved in the various areas of her life?"

You have a problem with this statement; I think it is on target!

Some on this website think the presence of women in the Church in any function but on their knees in the pews ought to be outlawed.

Most Catholics agree with the Pope on this one, Pyro.

Your articles have, to be frank, been nothing but the usual rants of arch-traditionalists. In most respects, they differ little from the garbage foisted on us from The Remnant. Other than a bit more respectful language, the NOR is becoming as strident as the rest of the far-right publications in the Church. Hell, even the Wanderer is more liberal than the NOR.

Sorry, but that's how I see them. Of course, I'm nothing but a liberal around here, so I know what I say will be dismissed.

But, my POV comes much closer to the views of the vast majority of Catholics in the pews than those of the Catholics who post on FR.

6 posted on 04/04/2004 4:48:49 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
"Some on this website think the presence of women in the Church in any function but on their knees in the pews ought to be outlawed."

Well, duh!

Maybe not to the extreme you cited, but certainly less than what is going on today.

"But, my POV comes much closer to the views of the vast majority of Catholics in the pews than those of the Catholics who post on FR."

With all due respect, your POV comes closer to the secular attitudes in this country and liberal Catholicism, IMO.


7 posted on 04/04/2004 4:58:42 PM PDT by RaginCajunTrad (Proud to be a Trad!)
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To: RaginCajunTrad
With all due respect, your POV comes closer to the secular attitudes in this country and liberal Catholicism, IMO.

You're wrong. I'm a quite conservative, Vatican II Catholic. The overwhelming majority of Catholics in this country are quite comfortable with women lectors, female altar servers, and women in teaching theological positions.

There's nothing "secular" about that, at all.

That is, unless you are willing to label the Pope a secular liberal, which, come to think of it, you likely are willing to do.

8 posted on 04/04/2004 5:03:03 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
You're wrong. I'm a quite conservative, Vatican II Catholic.

Are you practicing a standup routine on the forum sink?

I appreciate hearing the "other side" from time to time, but you sir are extremely far from a conservative Catholic.

9 posted on 04/04/2004 5:08:27 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: sinkspur
Not for anything but have you ever actually read your bible? Women are not to be speaking out in church.... period. They are also supposed to cover their heads.
10 posted on 04/04/2004 5:10:19 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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To: AAABEST
I appreciate hearing the "other side" from time to time, but you sir are extremely far from a conservative Catholic.

I follow the Church, doctrinally. That is conservative. I also applaud the Pope's efforts, liturgically and theologically. That also is conservative, or used to be.

I look liberal from where you stand, because, frankly, from where you stand, 98% of Catholics would be liberal.

11 posted on 04/04/2004 5:11:32 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: AAABEST
Women are not to be speaking out in church.... period. They are also supposed to cover their heads.

Of course not, in the Jewish tradition of the time of Paul.

You read Scripture like a Baptist.

12 posted on 04/04/2004 5:12:43 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
"The overwhelming majority of Catholics in this country are quite comfortable with women lectors, female altar servers, and women in teaching theological positions.

There's nothing "secular" about that, at all."

It is very coincidental then that the attitudes of the Church leadership and laity, especially in America so mirrors the secular organizations with abortion being the major exception. Just like our illegal imperial government in Iraq forcing "women's rights" on the new puppet Iraqi government by placing women on the police force and reserving a minimum of 40% of the legislative seats to women. Altar girls, etc. is part of the liberal agenda to de-stabilize the Church, which largely has been done according to the post-VII stats.

"That is, unless you are willing to label the Pope a secular liberal..."

Maybe not tried and true 100%, but I will let certain actions and ommissions of the Holy Father speak for themself.

13 posted on 04/04/2004 5:18:33 PM PDT by RaginCajunTrad (Proud to be a Trad!)
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To: RaginCajunTrad
Just like our illegal imperial government in Iraq forcing "women's rights" on the new puppet Iraqi government by placing women on the police force and reserving a minimum of 40% of the legislative seats to women.

Nothing wrong with this, either. It will be a secular government.

You're a real throwback, aren't you?

14 posted on 04/04/2004 5:21:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: RaginCajunTrad
Altar girls, etc. is part of the liberal agenda to de-stabilize the Church, which largely has been done according to the post-VII stats.

See, I don't think the Church has been "de-stabilized." But, I'm not an arch-traditionalist, either. So I don't see things through that prism.

15 posted on 04/04/2004 5:23:09 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Of course not, in the Jewish tradition of the time of Paul. You read Scripture like a Baptist.

Actually, it had been practiced up until around 1969, so you're making it up as you go again "deacon".

I read scripture it as it's written, however the protestants read it. The scripture we're talking about is not a parable or colloquial in any way.

40 years ago a bunch of modernist liberals (like yourself) decided they couldn't make the square bible fit into their round heads. So now whenever they encounter a part that they don't like they make up something that sounds good, as you just did.

Now clearly written unambiguous scripture all of a sudden has new meaning. Liberals can also call themselves conservative.

16 posted on 04/04/2004 5:28:43 PM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org">Traditional Catholicism is Back and Growing</a>)
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I follow the Church, doctrinally. That is conservative.

Naughty naughty, sinky.

You ever thought about "truth in advertising"? Of course not. Saul Alinsky did not teach that.

Now, please tell us, how does having denied 2 doctrines within a week amounts to "I follow the Church, doctrinally"?

You should rephrase your statement above, quickly. Suggestion: something like "I do not follow the Church doctrinally, but pretend I do, and always attempt to convince others that I do."

I also applaud the Pope's efforts, liturgically and theologically. That also is conservative, or used to be.

Actually, if the Pope were to jump on Liturgical and Theological abuses, you will cease to be his admirer in a New York minute.

17 posted on 04/04/2004 5:32:16 PM PDT by m4629
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To: sinkspur
"Nothing wrong with this, either. It will be a secular government.

You're a real throwback, aren't you?"

And quite pleased to be, sir.

I see nothing wrong with allowing the Iraqi people self-determination according to their own standards. It is not our place to force MTV, condoms in schools, abortion rights, contraception, and the liberal feminist agenda on them.
18 posted on 04/04/2004 5:32:44 PM PDT by RaginCajunTrad (Proud to be a Trad!)
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To: AAABEST
Actually, it had been practiced up until around 1969, so you're making it up as you go again "deacon".

It was a custom, a practice, not a regulation for all times.

You confuse a non-essential, like females wearing headcovering in Church, with an essential. Paul did not make that mistake. He observed the custom of the time.

19 posted on 04/04/2004 5:34:24 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: RaginCajunTrad
We cannot allow a Shia Muslim government to run Iraq. And will not.
20 posted on 04/04/2004 5:35:15 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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