[ultima ratio]

You are again way over your head. The reform of the liturgy never meant a total re-write. What the council fathers anticipated was the elimination of some redundancies in the ancient Mass--such as the two confiteors--and a possible use of the vernacular in those parts of the Mass which are specifically meant for the enlightenment of the community--the Scripture readings.

Such minor adjustments in text and rubrics had always been allowed and were consistent with tradition. What had never been permitted and which had never been anticipated was an all-out suppression of the Old Mass and the introduction of a thoroughly protestantized New Mass.

There is absolutely no indication the council fathers ever intended by "restoration" the kind of phony restoration that Bugnini attempted. Bugnini's claim, in fact, is little more than an attempt to align the Catholic liturgy with Martin Luther--who also threw out the Offertory and eliminated sacrificial features of the Mass to make it more of a memorial paschal meal instead. This notion had been soundly rejected by Trent--and repeated by preconciliar popes, including Pius XII who warned about such false efforts specifically in Mediator Dei. Vatican II does not refute such warnings.

Finally, I am tired of these exclusively cut-and-paste responses of yours. If you don't know enough to argue your point, then have the class to admit it. Anybody can play this selective, time-consuming game which takes quotes out of context, each of which requires a separate prolonged refutation. The bottom line is this: you seem to think Vatican II somehow introduced the new Protestantizing liturgy, rather than Paul VI years after the Council had closed. This is totally false and betrays colossal ignorance on your part.

[nika]

I am tired of these exclusively cut-and-paste responses of yours.
--ultima ratio

I'll bet you are! You make dogmatic-sounding statements with your laughable, pretended "expertise" as your only real authority for making them and then I demonstrate that they are totally wrong by citing authoritative sources. Of course you are tired of that!

Why don't you back up your position with some citations instead of making your ridiculous proclamations with your pathetic "expertise" as your only authority? That is the whole problem. Your disobedience to the Church founded by Christ is without authority and without expertise.