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I am tired of these exclusively cut-and-paste responses of yours.
--ultima ratio

I'll bet you are! You make dogmatic-sounding statements with your laughable, pretended "expertise" as your only real authority for making them and then I demonstrate that they are totally wrong by citing authoritative sources. Of course you are tired of that!

Why don't you back up your position with some citations instead of making your ridiculous proclamations with your pathetic "expertise" as your only authority? That is the whole problem. Your disobedience to the Church founded by Christ is without authority and without expertise.

There's no need to cite anybody, since everybody knowledgeable knows that Paul VI introduced the Novus Ordo, not Vatican II. But since you think such quotes are necessary, here are a few authoratative citations you must have missed:

"Indeed, though we are sorely grieved to note, on the one hand, that there are places where the spirit, understanding or practice of the sacred liturgy is defective, or all but inexistent, We observe with considerable anxiety and some misgiving, that elsewhere certain enthusiasts, over-eager in their search for novelty, are straying beyond the path of sound doctrine and prudence. Not seldom, in fact, they interlard their plans and hopes for a revival of the sacred liturgy with principles which compromise this holiest of causes in theory or practice, and sometimes even taint it with errors touching Catholic faith and ascetical doctrine."
--Pius XII, Mediator Dei

Or how about this:

"The liturgy of the early ages is most certainly worthy of all veneration. But ancient usage must not be esteemed more suitable and proper, either in its own right or in its significance for later times and new situations, on the simple ground that it carries the savor and aroma of antiquity. The more recent liturgical rites likewise deserve reverence and respect. They, too, owe their inspiration to the Holy Spirit, who assists the Church in every age even to the consummation of the world.[52] They are equally the resources used by the majestic Spouse of Jesus Christ to promote and procure the sanctity of man.

"Assuredly it is a wise and most laudable thing to return in spirit and affection to the sources of the sacred liturgy. For research in this field of study, by tracing it back to its origins, contributes valuable assistance towards a more thorough and careful investigation of the significance of feast-days, and of the meaning of the texts and sacred ceremonies employed on their occasion. But it is neither wise nor laudable to reduce everything to antiquity by every possible device. Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music or singing in parts, even where it conforms to regulations issued by the Holy See."
--Pius XII, Mediator Dei

And Vatican II said this in its Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy: "The treasury of sacred music is to be preserved and cultivated with great care...The Church recognizes Gregorian Chant as being specially suited to the Roman liturgy. Therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services."

Or how about this: "Care must be taken to ensure that the faithful may also be able to say or sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them."

Etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

Anybody can play this game--there are over a thousand pages of documents with zillions of juicy quotes, suitable for citation in defense of almost any position whatsoever. Yours is the modernist version--decidedly Protestant and unCatholic.

By the way--how am I "disobedient to the Church"? Be specific. You and others love to sling such charges against true Catholics for refusing to accept the new religion. Yet you never back such charges up. There is not a single instance of my being disobedient, for instance. I simply will not be bullied into becoming a Protestant for the sake of anybody. But that is just being true to the Catholic faith, it is not disobedience. As St. Paul warned the Galatians, even if an angel should come down from Heaven to preach a new gospel, his followers were to stick with tradition.