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Arminian Grace
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Posted on 03/31/2004 6:56:15 AM PST by fishtank

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3/19/04: Arminian Grace The following was posted to our channel and on a web board, so hopefully Dennis will not mind my posting it here, too. It seems relevant to the recent discussion of Dave Hunt's preaching.

Arminian grace! How strange the sound Salvation hinged on ME I once was lost then turned around Was blind then chose to see

What "grace" is it that calls for choice Out of some good within? The part that willed to heed God's voice Proved stronger than my sin

Through many ardent gospel pleas I sat with heart of stone But then some hidden good in me Propelled me toward my home

When we've been there ten thousand years Because of what we've done We've no less days to sing our praise Than when we first begun

- Dennis Walter Cochran


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To: fishtank; Corin Stormhands

The pings are new.

Besides, it proves my senses were properly tuned.


21 posted on 11/13/2006 3:08:47 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
Besides, it proves my senses were properly tuned.

If you mean the point that it was obviously meant as an insult, a slur, a slam...then your senses are indeed finely tuned.

22 posted on 11/13/2006 4:27:49 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Attention 2008 Candidates: This tagline for rent.)
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To: xzins; fishtank; AlbionGirl; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; ...
x, not to beat the proverbial dead horse, but one day I hope you can tell us why one man "accepts God's offer" of grace and another man doesn't.

I would agree with John Owen when he writes "to suppose that whatever God requireth of us that we have power of ourselves to do, is to make the cross and grace of Jesus Christ of none effect."

To the question I've asked you, my answer would rest in God's predestining, creative will whereby He choose to save some completely by Christ's redemption of them, and not because they did anything to merit His grace. All who are His will hear and see and understand and believe according to His perfect purpose from before time began.

The rest won't. But not because they weren't as good or righteous as the guy next door because grace has nothing to do with men's abilities or decisions. All men are fallen. Grace is the free, unmerited gift of God, based on His will alone, and not on any foreseen work, foreseen faith, foreseen decision to believe. Why? Again, because all men are fallen.

So if you could give us the Arminian perspective, why do you think one man "accepts" God's grace and another man doesn't? This question has been asked of you dozens of times and you either don't answer it or you reply something about having already answered it somewhere else. Perhaps I've missed it and you could kindly post it again. It shouldn't take more than a sentence or two.

23 posted on 11/13/2006 4:41:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Corin Stormhands; xzins; fishtank; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; topcat54; AlbionGirl; HarleyD
If you mean the point that it was obviously meant as an insult, a slur, a slam...then your senses are indeed finely tuned.

Corin, no one here is "insulting" anyone. The problem is that the antithesis always looks like a "slam."

The Reformation "looks like a slam" to the church in Rome because it rebuts the church in Rome.

The Calvinist POV "looks like a slam" to the Arminian POV because it denies what the Arminian POV asserts.

24 posted on 11/13/2006 4:48:18 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Start a real thread and I'll answer your question.


25 posted on 11/13/2006 5:42:11 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Corin Stormhands

precisely.....Godfather...you understand exactly.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 5:43:22 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; fishtank; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; blue-duncan; Buggman; Alex Murphy; ...

Then why resurrect an old thread meant only for the purpose of ridicule?

Honest debate is one thing. Honest disagreement is another.

This is neither.


27 posted on 11/13/2006 5:49:14 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Attention 2008 Candidates: This tagline for rent.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; Dr. Eckleburg

If she would start a real thread, maybe we'd answer her objections.


28 posted on 11/13/2006 5:54:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

You...maybe.

Me? Not so much.


29 posted on 11/13/2006 7:02:34 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Attention 2008 Candidates: This tagline for rent.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The problem is that the antithesis always looks like a "slam."

You mean that an antithesis just can't exist without making the other side the butt of jokes, or misrepresenting their position, or mischaracterizing them in some other way?

I don't think you really believe that.

30 posted on 11/13/2006 7:59:31 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Gamecock

Spurgeon (no Googling)


31 posted on 11/13/2006 8:09:41 PM PST by Frumanchu (Historical Revisionism: When you're tired of being on the losing side of history.)
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