Latin Masses to be allowed after 25 years

Arizona Republic ^ | 3/17/2004 | Michael Clancy

[lrslattery]

Latin, the ancient language of the Catholic Church, will be allowed in Diocese of Phoenix churches for the first time in at least 25 years.

Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted, reversing 20 years of diocesan policy, announced the change to priests at a meeting earlier this month. A committee will report today on details.

[ArrogantBustard]

Imagine a one of those liturgical professionals coming in wanting to "fix things"?
Bwahahahaha!!!! That would be funny. Tar and feathers, anyone?

In some parishes, the Pastor is supported by the parish, and if there's an 'assistant' he may have an 'outside' job, teaching in HS or University or some such.

[ArrogantBustard]

don't devote their "spare time" to prayer and contemplation.

When they're devoting their time to porn and buggery ... But that problem is emminently solvable.

Rule One: "No Poofters!"

[dsc]

"Boy, those Anglican dispensation guys will be surprised to hear this."

I very much doubt that.

"The ones we have in our diocese (five of them, all married, and ALL pastors of large parishes) are heads-and-shoulders above most of the celibates. They're much better preachers and as dedicated to their parishes as most celibates."

1. I wouldn't trust your opinion of the weather, much less something like that.

2. There's more to being a priest than writing and deliering homilies.

3. It's not a matter of dedication; it's a question of the allocation of a man's finite resources.

"Most celibates obviously don't devote their "spare time" to prayer and contemplation."

Then perhaps they're not the sort of men who should have been ordained.

[dsc]

"The truth be told, there are many men in the Catholic priesthood who are not celibate first."

Then they should not have been ordained. As a matter of fact, if what you say is true, they lied to get ordained in the first place.

[sinkspur]

Most of them have families that are grown - no children.

The pastor of the largest parish in our diocese, Fr. John Gremmels, has three teenage daughters. Two others have even younger children.

[Siobhan]

Mother Assumpta Long is one of our great heroines in the Church in America.

[sinkspur]

Then perhaps they're not the sort of men who should have been ordained.

The Church seems to be taking what it can get.

[dsc]

"The Church seems to be taking what it can get."

No, it seems to be taking what the rectum rangers in charge of the seminaries will allow.

[sinkspur]

As a matter of fact, if what you say is true, they lied to get ordained in the first place.

Up until the 1990s, Catholic seminaries simply did not do much in helping men discern whether they could make a commitment to celibacy.

It was just assumed that, if you wanted to be a priest, you would figure out a way to remain celibate.

[ArrogantBustard]

The Church seems to be taking what it can get.

Unfortunately, she is not. The famously orthodox seminaries, such as Mount St. Mary's are turning candidates away, for lack of space.

[ArrogantBustard]

Not all seminaries are under the control of perverts.

[dsc]

Okay, okay, sorry. But from everything I read, the perverts that *are* in charge of seminaries have done a lot of damage.

[american colleen]

Like I mentioned in my previous posts... certainly they all had the right to marry but it appears that they forsook all and followed Him.

Wasn't the council of Trullo around 700 or so? The Church has always had married and celibate priests and what you quote would seem to be a stern admonition against divorce. It certainly isn't an admonition to marry. I am not sure if you are saying that priests were always married or you think I am saying that there were never married priests?

[A.A. Cunningham]

Not so! "Don't we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord's brothers and Cephas? [1 Corinthians 9.5]"

Incorrect. You are relying on a corrupted translation of Scripture. 1 Corinthians 9:5 actually reads: "numquid non habemus potestatem sororem mulierem circumducendi sicut et ceteri apostoli et fratres Domini et Cephas "

Which translated into English reads: "Have we not power to carry about a woman, a sister as well as the rest of the apostles and the brethren of the Lord and Cephas?"

The word mulierem is woman, the word uxor would be wife. St. Paul, who was celibate, wrote woman, not wife.

[american colleen]

Like I said - most of the Anglican dispensation priests have grown families and have been married for years. You cite the small minority.

[sinkspur]

most of the Anglican dispensation priests have grown families and have been married for years. You cite the small minority.

Perhaps you could post your research which proves the above. I've seen no statistics to back up your assertion.

I cite the experience of the diocese which has the MOST Anglican dispensation priests in the US.

[Siobhan]

How have you arrived at your statistic for your diocese?

[Dajjal]

Salve!

Welcome to FreeRepublic!

[Dajjal]

Kudos to Bishop Olmsted!

[sinkspur]

How have you arrived at your statistic for your diocese?

I know all five of these men.