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To: autopsy
This isn't someone who simply changes his mind. It more like someone who changes his mind, changes his mind, changes his mind... Dr. Hahn has a pattern of holding conflicting views throughout his life and even now has very strange notions. Even for a Catholic. ;O)

You may wish to check out the website I refer to before attempting to defend this person. He's a liberal in the church who has tried to introduce Protestanism into the Catholic Church. One of his beliefs is the Holy Spirit is a female. (Where in scripture is this? This is certainly not a Protestant belief.)

As for the Protestants famous heretics-I would argue that Luther and Calvin just corrected errors that had crepted into the church. Their doctrinal position was no different than the early church fathers. What's one person's heretic is another person's saint.

7 posted on 03/12/2004 6:55:45 AM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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One of his beliefs is the Holy Spirit is a female. (Where in scripture is this? This is certainly not a Protestant belief.)

If that's his belief, then he's a kook. I also think the whole charismatic movement is goofy. My only point is that people change and often correct their religious beliefs over time. Martin Luther and Calvin, however, just went the wrong way.

18 posted on 03/12/2004 8:28:14 AM PST by autopsy
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To: HarleyD
As for the Protestants famous heretics-I would argue that Luther and Calvin just corrected errors that had crepted into the church. Their doctrinal position was no different than the early church fathers. What's one person's heretic is another person's saint.

A minor question. Perhaps I'm not well informed.

Luther believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Zwingli believed it was an ordinance, an ordinary memorial. Calvin attempted to mediate the difference at a meeting between the two.

Of the three, who was correct on this point of doctrine? And why should one believe that such a person has the authority to correctly declare such a doctrine?

33 posted on 03/12/2004 10:21:37 AM PST by siunevada
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"As for the Protestants famous heretics-I would argue that Luther and Calvin just corrected errors that had crepted into the church.

Excellent point HarleyD. Bears repeating. ;O)

37 posted on 03/12/2004 10:38:53 AM PST by HarleyD (READ Your Bible-STUDY to show yourself approved)
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To: HarleyD
As for the Protestants famous heretics-I would argue that Luther and Calvin just corrected errors that had crepted into the church

I agree about some of Luther's teachings and lesser of Calvin's -- but that's a theological debate. I do agree that the Protest Reformation did help clean some of the corruption of the Catholic church and I do believe that if Luther was aroudn now, he would find that most of his objections no longer exist in the current church. But then again, reformers have been popping up in the church again and again -- St. francis cleaned it up in the 12th century -- the difference being that these early reformers prefered to keep the church whole and purfiy it from the inside instead of breaking it up.
159 posted on 03/14/2004 11:45:12 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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