[RnMomof7]

God foreknew me before the world began and He foreknew that I would believe in Him, that does not mean that He made the decision for me, which is why I cannot buy a vowel ksen :)

If our election is based on Gods foreknowledge and he REALLY DESIRES all men to be saved without exception, why did He not see to it that they were given the amount of grace necessary to believe?

We have to conclude that it was never His plan or desire that all men without exception be saved..for if God desires to do something He will.

Creation is not all about men , or God being lonely and needing company . Creation and man was purposed for His Glory . Gods holiness is vindicated by His judgment, God is glorified in His Justice AND His mercy.

Without Judgment there is no such thing as mercy , they are different sides of the same coin. God will be glorified on the day that the reprobates are judged ...that is why God NEVER desired or intended for all men everywhere to be saved..It makes void His holiness.

One of the main "problems" with Arminian Theology is it makes God a puppet of men. He MUST respond to the overture of men , He must save them, He has no FREE WILL in the matter. Mans will is sovereign over Gods. Does God have no choice on whom He will have as an adopted son? Or as we see here , does the adoptive father select his children

There is one more point that I find of interest , that is the majority of Free will Baptists and many Arminians believe that God removed that precious free will from them when they were saved..they suddenly have no choice in the matter and are forced to go to heaven if they want it or not. How unfair of Him huh ?

[JohnnyM]

"There is one more point that I find of interest , that is the majority of Free will Baptists and many Arminians believe that God removed that precious free will from them when they were saved..they suddenly have no choice in the matter and are forced to go to heaven if they want it or not. How unfair of Him huh ?"

I really dont see this as an issue. We are a new creation in Christ. We don't have the freedom to not be that creation. God has transformed us through Jesus Christ into a new creation. It would be like a butterfly turning back into a caterpillar. Or willing itself to turn back into a caterpillar. It cannot happen. I do not create that new man. I do not transform myself. I do not save myself. I realize my need to be saved and cry out to the Father to save me from this body of sin and death. It is God who does the saving by His Grace and Mercy and the work of His Son Jesus Christ.

JM