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To: RnMomof7
"There is one more point that I find of interest , that is the majority of Free will Baptists and many Arminians believe that God removed that precious free will from them when they were saved..they suddenly have no choice in the matter and are forced to go to heaven if they want it or not. How unfair of Him huh ?"

I really dont see this as an issue. We are a new creation in Christ. We don't have the freedom to not be that creation. God has transformed us through Jesus Christ into a new creation. It would be like a butterfly turning back into a caterpillar. Or willing itself to turn back into a caterpillar. It cannot happen. I do not create that new man. I do not transform myself. I do not save myself. I realize my need to be saved and cry out to the Father to save me from this body of sin and death. It is God who does the saving by His Grace and Mercy and the work of His Son Jesus Christ.

JM
2,863 posted on 04/09/2004 11:10:11 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM
I really dont see this as an issue. We are a new creation in Christ. We don't have the freedom to not be that creation.

You do not see the contradiction in that ??

You believe you had the free will to chose to become that creation when you chose to believe .

So your salvation did not add anything to you..it took away what many seem to think is their greatest gift.

I do not create that new man. I do not transform myself. I do not save myself. I realize my need to be saved and cry out to the Father to save me from this body of sin and death. It is God who does the saving by His Grace and Mercy and the work of His Son Jesus Christ.

Sure you do, because without your permission God could only sit and hope you would elect Him . You held all the power .

Calvinists believe that man is dead in sin and trespasses , that our will is bound up because of the fall (remember that Adam no longer had the free will to restore himself to the position he had held.) That is because his will was in bondage to sin. As paul put it we were servants to sin .

That dead will could not , would not ever "choose " to make Christ it's Lord without the grace of God loosening that binding . So when we were saved God ADDED to us , He took NOTHING AWAY . His grace reconfigured our wills so that we are able to Choose Him .Only then can we have a true picture of what sinners we are and desire to choose God.

2,865 posted on 04/09/2004 11:27:49 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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