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To: CindyDawg; ksen; RnMomof7; CARepubGal
If you can't or won't answer a simple question, fine by me.

But if you consider "Ooops, I stopped reading your post after the second sentence" to be an intelligent response, than please don't ping me to your posts again.

If this is the level of debate on this thread, I'm glad I haven't spent much time here.

Hint: If God wanted all men saved, all men would be saved.

Hint: If Christ died for those who end up in hell, then His sacrifice was ineffective.

Hint: If man can acquire his own salvation, then God's mercy is limited to what man allows God to show him. Bonus point: This is also what is known as a "works-based salvation." A real no-no.

These are just some of the problems with your theology.

You may continue reading now.

2,228 posted on 04/06/2004 6:27:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you . I will. I ask you to bear with my lack of intelligence. I'm a high school drop out, you know? :').
2,229 posted on 04/06/2004 6:33:23 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If God wanted all men saved, all men would be saved.

Someone should tell Peter. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Now don't give me some half-formulated spin on this verse. I need all-out, both-barrels-blazing-dead-on-you-did-not-read-what-you-just-thought-you-read spin. I know you will not disappoint.

Deuteronomy 30:19   I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20   That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Odd word there. "choose" The clot thickens

2,270 posted on 04/06/2004 10:13:04 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Hint: If Christ died for those who end up in hell, then His sacrifice was ineffective.

This is only in an economical sense of the sacrifice of Christ. It does not make the sacrifice of Christ ineffective in reality. If I flip a switch in my house, the light comes on. If I don't flip the switch, is the electricity ineffective? Or just not activated? Analogical arguments always have weaknesses and this one is no different, but it points at the meat of the weakness of your argument. Namely, the lack of response on the part of the sinner to the sacrifice of Christ in no way lessens the efficaciousness (that's probably not a word, but you know what I mean) of the sacrifice.

If man can acquire his own salvation, then God's mercy is limited to what man allows God to show him.

This is a nice painting with broad brush of Arminianism, but does not reflect well the overall idea. Acceptance of a gift given is acquisition. But it is not acquisition by work. It is acquisition by acquiescence. And if you think accepting a gift is work, I'd hate to see you on a Saturday work day at the church.

2,271 posted on 04/06/2004 10:19:18 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; CindyDawg
If you can't or won't answer a simple question, fine by me.

LOL. My 2142 that I referred you to and invited you to answer. Let's not get high and mighty here on the "answering questions" front.

But if you consider "Ooops, I stopped reading your post after the second sentence" to be an intelligent response, than please don't ping me to your posts again.

Don't be a schmuck. You substituted "heaven" for "hell," a mental typo. Cindy read that as you wrote it and dismissed it.

Don't blame her and try to lord it over her cause of your mistake.

God really doesn't require you to be as offensive and obnoxious as possible in trying to spread the Gospel.

SD

2,289 posted on 04/07/2004 6:55:14 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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