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To: NYer; american colleen; Desdemona; Land of the Irish; BlackElk; AAABEST; Maximilian; Loyalist; ...
Interesting story.

It occurs to me that there is a larger dimension to the homosexual molestation scandals in the church. Many of the stories in the media focus on the behavior of the priests and the cover-ups by the bishops. The laity may also bear some burden. You have to wonder why people keep giving money to corrupt Catholic institutions. Why do they keep supporting some of these priests and bishops? Particularly when they know they are promoting a warped, liberal, watered-down version of Catholicism.

It's ironic that many of the same bishops who won't do anything about grotesque pro-abortion Catholic politicians are also the ones who do little about the homosexual abuse problems. These are the same bishops who have allowed Catholic colleges, universities, and high schools to be de-Catholicized and secularized. We're now finding that many of the most liberal bishops and priests involved in this (with liberal dissent) are also homosexuals. What does that tell you?

People have been asking what the Archdiocese of Boston plans to do with its homosexual rapist priests. What is the Archdiocese (and the Archbishop)going to do about John Kerry and his culture-of-death agenda for America and the world? What is Cardinal McCarrick doing about the use of stem cells from abortions at Georgetown University? What are all of them doing about The Vagina Monologues being forced down people's throats on Catholic campuses? Why is any of this disgusting crap happening in our church?

5 posted on 03/04/2004 7:08:30 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You have to wonder why people keep giving money to corrupt Catholic institutions. Why do they keep supporting some of these priests and bishops? Particularly when they know they are promoting a warped, liberal, watered-down version of Catholicism.

Because a good portion of the laity doesn't know that the teaching is watered down or that so many of the institutions are corrupt. We were brought up to believe the honesty and intergrity of the church and to trust the bishops that they lead us correctly.

Face it, there's a reason Jesus called His people His sheep. That doesn't make the people any less good or sincere, just in need of teacjing and leadership.
8 posted on 03/04/2004 7:20:40 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Bump for your spot on questions, my friend.
11 posted on 03/04/2004 7:41:15 AM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Right you are! Few can understand the connection between homosexual abuse and dissent in general. The homosexual abuse is but one symptom of a greater crisis facing the Church.

This is a letter to the editor from Seattle Catholic:

Investigating Hubbard (2/25/04)
Editor:

Your link to the timesunion.com story, "Pope asked to search bishop's files", by Brian Nearing, reveals the extraordinary corruption of a diocese in trouble ... even a Vatican in trouble.

Quoting the last paragraph,

When asked about the letter, diocesan spokesman Kenneth Goldfarb said, "That Mr. Aretakis sent his letter to the local news media and the Vatican at the same time tells you everything you need to know about his real agenda."
Aretakis is the lawyer seeking files on Bp Hubbard of Albany, and he sent to the Vatican requesting the Pope review the secret files.

Albany diocesan spokesman Kenneth Goldfarb tells us that the simultaneous letter to both the Vatican and the media reveal Aretakis' "real agenda".

Of course it does; this is the whole point of what the present Church catastrophe is all about. Obviously Goldfarb has his head somewhere where the sun don't shine ... let me rephrase this more politely. Goldfarb and his ilk don't seem to grasp the meaning of evil, and prefer to go on promoting it.

The facts include the growing lack of trust in anything said by anyone in the Vatican, and, even easier to perceive, the utter absense of anything trustworthy to come out of some dioceses ... unless homosexuality as a clandestine occupation by clergy because they "didn't know it was wrong" is a basis for trusting the very same clergy who promote this heinous idea.

How could anyone believe such complete deception coming out of some organization, let alone what God has provided us to be the most trustworthy of all organizations?

Some of these bishops and their evil minions are so preposterous ... but it reminds me of the notorious treachery used in so costly a way by the late Adolf Hitler, which is the big lie: The bigger the lie, the more people will be deceived by it. I think also that the late Joseph Stalin employed this propaganda strategy, not to mention the Devil himself speaking to Adam and Eve, and to all others who would believe that there is something greater than God who alone can give life or take it.

These twisted prelates and associates in religious crime make common criminals such as bank robbers and murderers look good. These two crimes against the Ten Commandments are perhaps the only ones not being commited by these evil bishops who claim naiivitae ... and even these are appearing to be a part of their wicked actions; after all, priests are turning up dead every few years, and these are priests who have been at odds publically against the lavender mafia clergy.

That the Vatican does not want to intervene is a shame of shameful things.

Aretakis is making a good move by getting the media in on this. Why? Because even the anti-Church media is more trustworthy and moral than some of these dioceses and much, it appears, of the Vatican.

For a population of a diocese to allow this foul play to keep happening does not speak well of the character of such people of such dioceses. It bears false witness of their moral fellow Catholics and against Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and all of creation and the whole Holy Trinity.

These are some of the foulest stench of people in history perpetrating this homosexual way of life replete with pedophilia.

Lapping up pig pens for all eternity would be too good for them in my opinion.


12 posted on 03/04/2004 7:42:03 AM PST by johnb2004
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Why is any of this disgusting crap happening in our church?

Because our Church, like our government has been infiltrated and compromised by evil people.

16 posted on 03/04/2004 7:58:17 AM PST by Barnacle (There’s a wee bit of Irish in everyone... Everyone, but John Kerry.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; NYer
Why is any of this disgusting crap happening in our church?

And in other churches.

It's happening because in the 21st century, homosexuality trumps religion, morality, common sense, safety and God.

In the short run, anyway.

In the long run, they are all damned.

57 posted on 03/04/2004 11:30:15 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
" You have to wonder why people keep giving money to corrupt Catholic institutions."

We often lament the huge drop-off in Mass attendance. Perhaps this was one of the reasons for it.

That would mean that a lot of people agreed with you, and voted with their feet.
67 posted on 03/04/2004 5:42:30 PM PST by dsc
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