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The Bible indicates Gibson actually went easy on the injuries to Jesus' face!
Monday, March 1, 2004 | tame

Posted on 03/01/2004 10:08:26 AM PST by tame

There has been a lot spoken and written about the "undue violence" in Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ".

But if w review the Biblical record, Gibson actually may have gone easy on the physical damage done to Jesus' face. Consider the following:

Isaiah 52:13-15 (prophecy about the Messiah): "Behold, my servant will prosper, He will be high and lifted up, and greatly exalted. Just as many were astonished at you, my people, so his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men. Thus he will sprinkle many nations, Kings will shut their mouths on account of him; For what had not been told them they will see, And what they had not heard they will understand."

Matthew 26:67-68, "Then they spat in his face and beat him with their fists; and others slapped him, and said, 'Prophecy to us, You Christ; who is the one who hit you?'"

Matthew 27:27-30, "The the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole Roman cohort around him. And they stripped him, and put a scarlet robe on him. And after weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on his head, and a reed in his right hand; and they kneeled down before him and mocked him, saying, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' And they spat on him, and took the reed and began to beat him on the head.

Mark 15:16-19, "And the soldiers took him away into the palace (that is, the praetorium), and they called together the whole Roman cohort. And they dressed him up in purple, and after weaving a crown of thorns, they out it on him; and they began to proclaim him, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' And they kept beating his head with a reed [staff made of reed], and spitting at him, and kneeling and bowing before him."

Luke 22:63, "And the men who were holding Jesus in custody were mocking him, an beating him. And they blindfolded him and were asking him, saying, 'Prophecy, Who is the one who hit you?'"

John 18:22, "And when he had said this, one of the officers standing by gave Jesus a blow, saying, 'Is that the way you answer the high priest?'"

John 19:1-3, "Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him. And the soldiers wove a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and arrayed him in a purple robe; and they began to come up to him, and say, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' and to give him blows in the face.

Now, to put this in perspective, when is the last time you received a direct blow to the face (accidental or otherwise). Now, imagine someone hitting you in the face two or three times. Assuming the blows are full force, your face would probably swell up.

Now, consider that a Jesus was hit in the face on more than one occassion during that horrific day. Also consider that on one of the occassions "a whole Roman cohort" REPEATEDLY hit Jesus in the face.

No wonder Isaiah 52:14 says that "his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men"!

To be blunt, it appears from the accounts cited that Jesus' face was beaten to a swollen pulp. This may account for the fact that, after Jesus resurrection, the disciples on the road to Emmaus did not recognize him even as they spoke to him! (Luke, chapter 24)

True, Luke 24:16 seems to stress the eyes of those disciples being "vailed" or "kept from recognizing him" (depending on the translation). Still, the condition of Jesus' disfigured face may have been a factor used by God the father to prevent his immediate recognition.

And, in case somebody is wondering if Jesus continued to bare these wounds after his resurrection, the answer seems to be YES! In addition to Luke 24:16, John 20:24-28 depicts Jesus as showing Thomas his wounds. Also, Revelation 5:6 depicts the Messiah as "a lamb standing, as if slain..."

But let us not forget why this terrible murder of Jesus took place (If you're reading this, Mr. Gibson, place direct a prequal and a sequal!):

Romans 4:25, "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

BTW, This is not an optional belief for those who seeking truth, or salvation from the coming wrath. It is a necessary belief. In fact, Paul says Jesus death, burial and resurrection IS the gospel! Therefore a denial of this death, burial and resurrection is a denial of the gospel itself:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures."

Romans 10:9, 10, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."


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To: Proud_texan
I was fuzzy on the "why have you forsaken me" scripture and I've been working on it.

An important point regarding "why have you forsaken me". Jesus was quoting the beginning of Psalm 22, which contains prophetic passages about him. That Psalm, far from demonstrating a lack of faith on Jesus' part, goes on to deomonstrate that God "has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help." [Psalm 22:24]

61 posted on 03/01/2004 5:09:29 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Proud_texan
"We want a God without wrath who took man without sin into a kingdom without justice through the ministrations of a Christ without a cross." - The Kingdom of God in America, H. Richard Niebuhr

Wow. Great quote!

62 posted on 03/01/2004 5:11:19 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
Good post!

As mentioned privately my conerns are not about the violence ... I will elaborate on this later when I have a minute.
63 posted on 03/01/2004 5:17:58 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: tame
#62
Great quote .... and great tagline BTW.
64 posted on 03/01/2004 5:30:21 PM PST by RightField (The older you get . . . the older "old" is !)
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To: RightField
...and great tagline BTW.

Thanks :o) I love your tag line. It reminds me of the line, "By the time I got my act together I was too old to take it on the road!"

65 posted on 03/01/2004 5:39:13 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: nmh
Your tagline: Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design.

That's right on! Spiritually blind people believe in "a blind watchmaker".

66 posted on 03/01/2004 5:42:28 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Aquinasfan
Remember when the young woman tried to give Jesus some water and gave him a towel to wipe the blood from his face? Right after that, there was a scene of her holding the towel and there is a very distinct image of Jesus on the cloth...I thought it looked like the image on the Shroud of Turin.

Did anyone else notice this?
67 posted on 03/01/2004 5:59:00 PM PST by Haddon
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To: Haddon
I thought it looked like the image on the Shroud of Turin.

Did anyone else notice this?

I missed it. I was hoping to see His image on the Shroud, but didn't see it. Maybe in the sequel 8-)

68 posted on 03/01/2004 6:21:47 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Haddon
I noticed that, too. That is not from the gospels but apparently from the "visions" of one of the catholic nuns from the 18th or 19th century..
69 posted on 03/01/2004 6:22:28 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: All
The Passion of the Christ: A Powerful Spiritual Experience (A review by Gretchen Passantino)

Read this above review by Gretchen. She has a terrific ministry (See www.answers.org)!

70 posted on 03/01/2004 6:25:14 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
Has anyone here ever been punched out repeatedly in the face? Your face swells op and looks very distorted - it takes on a grotesque, flattened apperance. This was somewhat captured in the film Raging Bull.
71 posted on 03/01/2004 6:29:56 PM PST by Zechariah11 ("so they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.")
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To: netmilsmom
All four Gospels is "A" truth...You have to put them all together to get "THE" truth. JMHO
72 posted on 03/01/2004 6:49:16 PM PST by ptrey
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To: thackney; tame
Thanks for the ping and this thread -it saved me lots of research.

Different subject? What was the symbolism of the baby Satan was carrying as Jesus was dragging that cross around the city?
73 posted on 03/01/2004 7:14:42 PM PST by TheMom
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To: TheMom
What was the symbolism of the baby Satan was carrying as Jesus was dragging that cross around the city?

That part of the movie freaked me out. It looked like a full satanic version of "mini me" (from "Austin Powers).

Anyway, I don't see that baby as a scriptural reference. I don't know what exactly that was about (unless it comes from one of the catholic "visions" from the 18 or 19th century that Gibson drew from).

74 posted on 03/01/2004 7:21:02 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Zechariah11
Has anyone here ever been punched out repeatedly in the face? Your face swells op and looks very distorted - it takes on a grotesque, flattened apperance. This was somewhat captured in the film Raging Bull.

Well, all I know is that I received a sting from a yellow jacket above my eye when I was very young, and my face (the whole eye area) swelled up like a watermelon!

75 posted on 03/01/2004 7:23:41 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: JustAmy
Thanks for the ping, Amy. Great post.
76 posted on 03/01/2004 7:45:08 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Despite intense and violent criticism against the Passion, the public has spoken at the box office)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; tame
I didn't know if you had seen this.

Excellent post, Tame.
77 posted on 03/01/2004 8:01:17 PM PST by JustAmy (God Bless our Troops! God Bless President Bush! God Bless America!!!)
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To: JustAmy
Excellent post, Tame.

Well, thank you :o)

78 posted on 03/01/2004 8:04:05 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: tame
Quite frankly: so what?
79 posted on 03/01/2004 8:04:47 PM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
Quite frankly: so what?

Quite frankly, it's self evident.

80 posted on 03/01/2004 8:06:47 PM PST by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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