Posted on 03/01/2004 10:08:26 AM PST by tame
There has been a lot spoken and written about the "undue violence" in Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ".
But if w review the Biblical record, Gibson actually may have gone easy on the physical damage done to Jesus' face. Consider the following:
Isaiah 52:13-15 (prophecy about the Messiah): "Behold, my servant will prosper, He will be high and lifted up, and greatly exalted. Just as many were astonished at you, my people, so his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men. Thus he will sprinkle many nations, Kings will shut their mouths on account of him; For what had not been told them they will see, And what they had not heard they will understand."
Matthew 26:67-68, "Then they spat in his face and beat him with their fists; and others slapped him, and said, 'Prophecy to us, You Christ; who is the one who hit you?'"
Matthew 27:27-30, "The the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the Praetorium and gathered the whole Roman cohort around him. And they stripped him, and put a scarlet robe on him. And after weaving a crown of thorns, they put it on his head, and a reed in his right hand; and they kneeled down before him and mocked him, saying, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' And they spat on him, and took the reed and began to beat him on the head.
Mark 15:16-19, "And the soldiers took him away into the palace (that is, the praetorium), and they called together the whole Roman cohort. And they dressed him up in purple, and after weaving a crown of thorns, they out it on him; and they began to proclaim him, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' And they kept beating his head with a reed [staff made of reed], and spitting at him, and kneeling and bowing before him."
Luke 22:63, "And the men who were holding Jesus in custody were mocking him, an beating him. And they blindfolded him and were asking him, saying, 'Prophecy, Who is the one who hit you?'"
John 18:22, "And when he had said this, one of the officers standing by gave Jesus a blow, saying, 'Is that the way you answer the high priest?'"
John 19:1-3, "Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him. And the soldiers wove a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and arrayed him in a purple robe; and they began to come up to him, and say, 'Hail, King of the Jews!' and to give him blows in the face.
Now, to put this in perspective, when is the last time you received a direct blow to the face (accidental or otherwise). Now, imagine someone hitting you in the face two or three times. Assuming the blows are full force, your face would probably swell up.
Now, consider that a Jesus was hit in the face on more than one occassion during that horrific day. Also consider that on one of the occassions "a whole Roman cohort" REPEATEDLY hit Jesus in the face.
No wonder Isaiah 52:14 says that "his appearance was marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men"!
To be blunt, it appears from the accounts cited that Jesus' face was beaten to a swollen pulp. This may account for the fact that, after Jesus resurrection, the disciples on the road to Emmaus did not recognize him even as they spoke to him! (Luke, chapter 24)
True, Luke 24:16 seems to stress the eyes of those disciples being "vailed" or "kept from recognizing him" (depending on the translation). Still, the condition of Jesus' disfigured face may have been a factor used by God the father to prevent his immediate recognition.
And, in case somebody is wondering if Jesus continued to bare these wounds after his resurrection, the answer seems to be YES! In addition to Luke 24:16, John 20:24-28 depicts Jesus as showing Thomas his wounds. Also, Revelation 5:6 depicts the Messiah as "a lamb standing, as if slain..."
But let us not forget why this terrible murder of Jesus took place (If you're reading this, Mr. Gibson, place direct a prequal and a sequal!):
Romans 4:25, "He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.
BTW, This is not an optional belief for those who seeking truth, or salvation from the coming wrath. It is a necessary belief. In fact, Paul says Jesus death, burial and resurrection IS the gospel! Therefore a denial of this death, burial and resurrection is a denial of the gospel itself:
1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures."
Romans 10:9, 10, "If you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
People like you are
the fruits of the film. I know
the movie through you . . .
I would be very careful about certain judgements that should be left to Jesus. As far as fruit, that first strike you posted (negative post) spoke volumes.
Well read Habukkuk 2;2-4 and then turn to Heb. 10;37.
Verse 3 of Hab.2 says For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.Behold, his soulwhich is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
In heb 10; 37 the writer says For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith...
that refering to Habukkuk.
Um...yes..he most certainly is God:
Well I could spend all day quoting scripture where Jesus spoke to his Father or prayed to his Father or spoke of how he does the works of his Father or spoke of how he was not good but there was only one good, the Father in heaven. I will ask you this though, who did Jesus pray to? himself? who did Jesus cry out to on the cross?himself? who did he give thanks to when he multiplied the loaves and fishes? Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us?If you can answer me this convincingly then maybe I would change my mind.
I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ, I attend church at Water of Life in Plano Texas. There is no denomination that is ordained of God however there is only the body of Christ.
In heb 10; 37 the writer says For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith...
that refering to Habukkuk.
Well I could spend all day quoting scripture where Jesus spoke to his Father or prayed to his Father or spoke of how he does the works of his Father or spoke of how he was not good but there was only one good, the Father in heaven. I will ask you this though, who did Jesus pray to? himself? who did Jesus cry out to on the cross?himself? who did he give thanks to when he multiplied the loaves and fishes? Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us?If you can answer me this convincingly then maybe I would change my mind.
Respectfully, you don't seem to have a correct understanding of the trinity. Again, at post #113, you'll find an explanation of that.
I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ...
You cannot be a Christian and deny the deity of Jesus Christ--that he is God in human flesh. Jesus said "If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (Good thing Thomas, therefore, called Jesus "My Lord and My God" in John 20:28). Compare that statement with Exodus 3 where God of the Old Testament said that "I AM" is his name for all generations. All the verses I quoted cannot simply be dismissed. The Bible does not contradict itself.
The passages you cited show a distinction between the father and the Son, which the Trinity teaches. But remember that the Bible teaches within the nature of the one God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ, I attend church at Water of Life in Plano Texas.
Is your Pastor on record as denying the deity of Christ, and denying the trinity? What is the Pastor's name?
Also. regarding the Habakuk passage, please read post #113...I'll comment later.
Here's a relevent quote from Passantino's artcle "...when 2 Corinthians 5:21 says that God made Jesus "to be sin," it means that God made the penalty for all sin to fall upon Jesus, not that Jesus himself could become sin, e.g., sinful. As perfect God and perfect man, he could not sin. 1 Peter 1:19 calls Jesus "a lamb without blemish and without spot."
Habakkuk 2:4 has nothing whatever to do with the Messiah when it talks about a proud (or "puffed up" or "lifted up") man. In fact, a proud man is directly contrasted with the righteous:
"Behold, as for the proud one, his soul is not right within him; But the righteous shall live by his faith [the righteous person own faith]."
Habakkuk is not speaking of the Messiah being a sinner. The Bible does not contradict itself. Habakkuk does not contradict Hebrews 4:15.
The Bible says Jesus "was
without sin".
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