Posted on 03/01/2004 10:08:26 AM PST by tame
People like you are
the fruits of the film. I know
the movie through you . . .
I would be very careful about certain judgements that should be left to Jesus. As far as fruit, that first strike you posted (negative post) spoke volumes.
Well read Habukkuk 2;2-4 and then turn to Heb. 10;37.
Verse 3 of Hab.2 says For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.Behold, his soulwhich is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
In heb 10; 37 the writer says For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith...
that refering to Habukkuk.
Um...yes..he most certainly is God:
Well I could spend all day quoting scripture where Jesus spoke to his Father or prayed to his Father or spoke of how he does the works of his Father or spoke of how he was not good but there was only one good, the Father in heaven. I will ask you this though, who did Jesus pray to? himself? who did Jesus cry out to on the cross?himself? who did he give thanks to when he multiplied the loaves and fishes? Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us?If you can answer me this convincingly then maybe I would change my mind.
I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ, I attend church at Water of Life in Plano Texas. There is no denomination that is ordained of God however there is only the body of Christ.
In heb 10; 37 the writer says For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith...
that refering to Habukkuk.
Well I could spend all day quoting scripture where Jesus spoke to his Father or prayed to his Father or spoke of how he does the works of his Father or spoke of how he was not good but there was only one good, the Father in heaven. I will ask you this though, who did Jesus pray to? himself? who did Jesus cry out to on the cross?himself? who did he give thanks to when he multiplied the loaves and fishes? Is Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us?If you can answer me this convincingly then maybe I would change my mind.
Respectfully, you don't seem to have a correct understanding of the trinity. Again, at post #113, you'll find an explanation of that.
I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ...
You cannot be a Christian and deny the deity of Jesus Christ--that he is God in human flesh. Jesus said "If you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins" (Good thing Thomas, therefore, called Jesus "My Lord and My God" in John 20:28). Compare that statement with Exodus 3 where God of the Old Testament said that "I AM" is his name for all generations. All the verses I quoted cannot simply be dismissed. The Bible does not contradict itself.
The passages you cited show a distinction between the father and the Son, which the Trinity teaches. But remember that the Bible teaches within the nature of the one God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I am a Christian and I belong to the body of Christ, I attend church at Water of Life in Plano Texas.
Is your Pastor on record as denying the deity of Christ, and denying the trinity? What is the Pastor's name?
Also. regarding the Habakuk passage, please read post #113...I'll comment later.
Here's a relevent quote from Passantino's artcle "...when 2 Corinthians 5:21 says that God made Jesus "to be sin," it means that God made the penalty for all sin to fall upon Jesus, not that Jesus himself could become sin, e.g., sinful. As perfect God and perfect man, he could not sin. 1 Peter 1:19 calls Jesus "a lamb without blemish and without spot."
Habakkuk 2:4 has nothing whatever to do with the Messiah when it talks about a proud (or "puffed up" or "lifted up") man. In fact, a proud man is directly contrasted with the righteous:
"Behold, as for the proud one, his soul is not right within him; But the righteous shall live by his faith [the righteous person own faith]."
Habakkuk is not speaking of the Messiah being a sinner. The Bible does not contradict itself. Habakkuk does not contradict Hebrews 4:15.
The Bible says Jesus "was
without sin".
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