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To: StolarStorm
I've read your countless posts on this topic. It seems to me that your primary goal here is to incite and goad.

That's odd. I've read your posts before too. I seem to remember something about them with respect to Jews and Israel. Do you take any public positions regarding Jews and Israel ?

91 posted on 02/20/2004 11:40:17 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Again, you are simply trying to incite and goad. Why? Many here are simply trying to discuss the issue with you honestly and from their heart, and yet you cast aspersions on their characters.

BTW I support Israel and love the Jews. I don't always agree with Israel government actions from time to time... ie Pollard. But that's my right and I'm sure many Israeli citizens don't always agree with their governments activities either.
98 posted on 02/20/2004 12:07:40 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: af_vet_1981
I answered your question, why not answer mine? What do you want to do about the movie? Rather than just attack poster here , what are your suggestions? Nobody (sane at least) wants this movie to cause any harm, yet Christians do have a right to make movies about their faith. What do you want?
101 posted on 02/20/2004 12:11:11 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: af_vet_1981
I will tell you how this Christian feels about Israel and the Jews.

I was 12 the first time I became cognizant of Israel and Jews. It was 1972, and Palestinian terrorists had taken over the Israeli "condo" at the Munich Olympics. I hung around the house waiting to see if the Israelis would be rescued. Theey were not. Jim McKay's "They're all gone" was haunting. At twelve and today.

Entebbe was next. I was 16! Good for the Israelis, I thought. Then I watched the Bicentennial celebration. But good for them. I read two books about Entebbe and watched a TV drama when it came out.

I read a book about Treblinka sometime within the next year. I was horrified and angry.

I came to the Lord when I was 22 and began to read both the New and Old Testament. When someone says they are a Jew, I immediately think of Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Eleazar, Phineas, and of course David. Through my studies I have grown to love these men. In the New Testament, a Jew is Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, James, and Andrew. I love these men as well. I love them for their faith and their humanity. Mostly I love them because they love the same God I do.

When you say Israel to me... I see a people, who 60 years ago, went to the Nazi concentration camps and no one lifted a finger to stop the massacre. I think of the Warsaw Ghetto and remember that I have read that the Jews went for help among the Allies and no one would help. They faced the Nazis alone. Those who died in the Ghetto fighting were brave and honorable. Those who went to the death camps were innocent and honorable. They deserved better from all of us.

I remember the White Paper of 1939 and how the British would not increase the immigration quota, and I am angry at the injustice.

I think of the Six Day War. I think of the Yom Kippur War. When Israel wins... I say good for them. When terrorism occurs, I weep. I get angry with the double-standard that exists on the War on Terror... where we can fight our enemies...but Israel must appease and compromise with a bunch of cutthroat murderers, who want to destroy the nation.

My support for Israel comes because after all that they have been through... from 1936 on... (and I realize that there was more suffering than that)... give them a piece of land. The world owes them that much. Give them Israel, Judea, and Samaria. Let them live in peace. Yes, it's the least we can do.

104 posted on 02/20/2004 12:19:29 PM PST by carton253 (I have no genius at seeming.)
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