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To: Lonely NY Conservative
"But I do not believe in the Church as an institution." ....Gibson's objections to the post-Vatican II church echo those of the members of the Society of St. Pius X, which broke away from Rome partially because of the abandonment of the Tridentine liturgy.
Newsmax.

The actor does not hide his disdain for the Catholic Church. In a January 2003 interview with Time, he condemns Vatican II, saying it “corrupted the institution of the church. Look at the main fruits: dwindling numbers and pedophilia." The 40-year gap between the colloquium and the current scandal is conveniently not addressed
American Daily.

Gibson is not in union with Rome, though he will not come out and say so.

44 posted on 02/20/2004 6:36:39 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur
Of the two quotes you provided, the first one does seem to at first look be compelling evidence that he is not in union with Rome. The second quote (on the results of Vatican II) is something that might be uttered by many faithful Roman Catholics who truly believe that a liberal hijacking of the implementation of Vatican II led to many of the abuses cited.

I actually took the time to look up the article you linked from Newsmax - interestingly the quote you attributed to Gibson was not his words, but those of the author. The full quote was:

Actor Mel Gibson, a staunchly orthodox Roman Catholic who will play Christ in an upcoming movie, says the Vatican is a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and that he doesn't believe in the present-day Church as an institution.

Since the author doesn't have a clue what the word "orthodox" means in this context, I don't know whether I trust his interpretation of Gibson's position in regard to such a nuanced issue.

It always seemed odd to me that if Gibson were truly a sedevacantist or other schismatic that he would speak so glowingly about the prospect of his daughter attending Franciscan University in Steubenville (a VERY Orthodox Catholic school) and potentially becomming a nun. I choose to reserve judgment until I hear from Gibson himself on the matter.

P.S. - I assume that your misattribution of the quote was a mistake made for the sake of brevity.

67 posted on 02/20/2004 6:53:12 AM PST by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: sinkspur
Gibson is not in union with Rome, though he will not come out and say so.

What does Rome say?

87 posted on 02/20/2004 7:17:19 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: sinkspur
The actor does not hide his disdain for the Catholic Church. In a January 2003 interview with Time, he condemns Vatican II, saying it “corrupted the institution of the church. Look at the main fruits: dwindling numbers and pedophilia." The 40-year gap between the colloquium and the current scandal is conveniently not addressed
American Daily

Sad that he made this statement. The dwindling numbers and pedophilia are hardly a creation of V2. The fact that V2 did not go far enough, i.e. letting the priests marry, is part of the reason for the dwindling number of priests as well as the pedophilia problem. The dwindling number of parishioners was much more severe pre-V2 than the church is facing now (of course the more the pedophilia problem stays with us, the church cannot do what it potentially could without.)

134 posted on 02/20/2004 9:27:38 AM PST by AgThorn (Go go Bush!! But don't turn your back on America with "immigrant amnesty")
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To: sinkspur
Gibson is not in union with Rome, though he will not come out and say so

Thank the Lord that you're not the person who decides who is in communion with Rome, and who isn't.

225 posted on 02/20/2004 4:25:27 PM PST by Clintons a commie
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