Covenant Theology: Effectual Calling

Westminster Presbyterian Church ^ | Dr. James E. Bordwine

[sheltonmac]

Threads for previous sermons:

1. The Foundtation
2. The Absolute Sovereignty of the Creator
3. The Absolute Dependence of the Creature
4. The Absolute Necessity of a Mediator
5. The Covenant of Works (pt. 1)
6. The Covenant of Works (pt. 2)
7. The Covenant of Grace (pt. 1)
8. The Covenant of Grace (pt. 2)
9. The Covenant of Grace (pt. 3)

[sheltonmac]

*ping*

[RnMomof7]

Excellent teaching

I am always amazed that people that view this as God making man a puppet .

If the millionaire knocked on the door of anyone here and said just come with me to get your money..not one of us would refuse that call, because of the beauty and appeal of it.

How much more beautiful the Call of God, that draws and embraces us ..so that we want the promise more than anything .

The thought of refusing never crosses our mind ..

Thank God for ears that can hear it !

[PFKEY]

If the millionaire knocked on the door of anyone here and said just come with me to get your money..not one of us would refuse that call, because of the beauty and appeal of it.

I would refuse. Never go with a stranger offering gifts. Nothing is for free. I'd close the door.

I know what you are saying but do you have a better example?

[RnMomof7]

I would refuse. Never go with a stranger offering gifts. Nothing is for free. I'd close the door.

I trust God is not a stranger to you?? :>))

Before the effectual call, God has introduced Himself to you .

I just do not understand why people think that God drawing you is a fate worse than death ..so it must be forced.

Jesus called the apostles and they dropped every thing to come follow Him , that was an effectual call.

Let me put it this way.

If on Valentine day ,your wife (if you have one) bought a beautiful sexy negligee and she lit candles and put on soft music..and then called you into the bedroom...would she have to hog tie you to come? Or would the promise of the call be so strong that you would go with joy?

What the conversation of being puppets or being forced says to me..men honor and love their own will over God's love and call. Seems to me that once that was predicted in a garden

[RnMomof7]

Shel, I can not believe that this has not been read by more people (may be busy week end? ) ..I am going to bump it again

[biblewonk]

I guess it's because I am thoroughly edified about God's soverignty as I read His word daily. I've spent so much time telling others about it and quoting verses to prove it and making analogies to explain it, that I don't really feel the need to hear someone else do it.

[jboot]

sheltonmac,
Just to let you know, I am reading these. They are fantastic!

[newgeezer]

I don't really feel the need to hear someone else do it.

Well, that explains why you haven't been... Er, nevermind! :-D :-D

[RnMomof7]

I guess it's because I am thoroughly edified about God's soverignty as I read His word daily. I've spent so much time telling others about it and quoting verses to prove it and making analogies to explain it, that I don't really feel the need to hear someone else do it.

I wont be finished till I die:>) I always need to hear (or read) how others see God and his work or how to present it

But them I am much newer at it than many of you guys

[biblewonk]

Well, that explains why you haven't been... Er, nevermind! :-D :-D

Yeah I'm missing out on all that strong soverighty/election preaching from the "How to be a better you and me" crowd.

[newgeezer]

I would refuse. Never go with a stranger offering gifts. Nothing is for free. I'd close the door. I know what you are saying but do you have a better example?

How about Ed McMahon at your door, holding a giant check made out in your name? ;O)

[newgeezer]

Yeah I'm missing out on all that strong soverighty/election preaching from the "How to be a better you and me" crowd.

Sure, the next five weeks. But not the last two.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I just do not understand why people think that God drawing you is a fate worse than death.

LOL!

Taken to an absurd extreme, what if men really are puppets of God like the Arminians warn?

Is that the very worst thing anyone can imagine?

The fact that God is in control and life is proceeding according to His will should be cause for rejoicing.

Some people are never satisfied, I guess.

[biblewonk]

Sure, the next five weeks. But not the last two.

Face it, it's becoming vey difficult to find election preaching anywhere.

[biblewonk]

The effect is that the leven of choice, I now call it Bruce Almighty doctrine because that show was oooooozing free will, is effecting the whole message of churches.

[Gamecock]

Taken to an absurd extreme, what if men really are puppets of God like the Arminians warn?

Is that the very worst thing anyone can imagine?

Cost of a Bible: Free Cost of an RC Sproul Book: $12.50

Cost of Sunday Suit: $500.00

Quip by Dr E that gets right to the heart of the matter: Priceless

[RnMomof7]

Yeah I'm missing out on all that strong soverighty/election preaching from the "How to be a better you and me" crowd.

Ummm sounds like Rick Warren is visiting your church

[Corin Stormhands]

Is that the very worst thing anyone can imagine?

Gotta love that Calvinist attitude that says "to hell with the rest of the planet, as long as I get in."

Sorry if you see that as a flame Dr. E. But that's always how your posts read to me.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Then read with open eyes, Corin.

Where do I say I know who "gets in?" Only God knows that. And I have always maintained that IMO anyone who follows Christ as their Lord and Savior, and lives a life reflecting God's glory is most likely saved.

Your post was rude and in error.

Same as it ever was. And life goes on.