To: SoothingDave; Alamo-Girl; Vernon; The Grammarian
Yes, in our frame of reference, which is inside of time. It's really a simple question. Do you think God is time's master or servant? Is God constrained by time? Is it a limit on Him? Phrase the question however you like. It is not consistent, to me, with the Biblical revelation of an all-mighty Being to consider this Being subject to the limitations of something He Himself created. While it is certainly true that our frame of reference is inside time, the real problem for the 'eternity as timelessness' view (as shown by the article posted by The Grammarian at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1072809/posts) is that the biblical data repeatedly show God acting in time as His frame of reference, i.e. doing things in succession, changing His mind after intervening acts, and then citing intervening events as a reason for the revision.
To: winstonchurchill
Thank you so much for the ping, winstonchurchill! One of the points in my post 34 is that our vision and minds are limited to three spatial dimensions and one temporal dimension. We are blind to extra spatial and temporal dimensions, as well as spacelessness and timelessness even though it is known to be the initial condition of the beginning.
Later, at post 53, I posed these two questions with this blindness and the issue you raise in mind:
When we speak to our children, would we use words and concepts they cannot understand? If our children are blind, would we describe things with colors and forms?
Since in the physical realm we are clearly anthropomorphic by vision and mind, it follows that the Scriptures are anthropomorphic" with regard to spatial and temporal dimensions. My two cents
To: winstonchurchill
While it is certainly true that our frame of reference is inside time, the real problem for the 'eternity as timelessness' view (as shown by the article posted by The Grammarian at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1072809/posts) is that the biblical data repeatedly show God acting in time as His frame of reference, i.e. doing things in succession, changing His mind after intervening acts, and then citing intervening events as a reason for the revision. You don't seem to really understand the concept of "frame of reference." Citing the Bible is still working within our frame of reference, in time.
The Bible only details God's interaction with us. By necessity, it takes place in time, in our frame of reference.
SD
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