Shrine Rector Confirms New Ecumenical Orientation at Fatima

Catholic Family News ^ | February 2004 | John Vennari

[Land of the Irish]

Ping

[ultima ratio]

Why should this surprise anybody? Rome is in the process of inventing a new religion by blurring what is distinct in Catholicism. It doesn't dare denounce Tradition officially, but it will do all it can to destroy Catholic dogmas and culture by subterfuge--in this case, by undermining what is specifically Catholic at one of its most important shrines. The effort will fail--as has everything this regime has touched for forty years. Meanwhile our guy--Gibson--will impress images of the Crucifixion on a whole new generation.

[Unam Sanctam]

Once again, a tissue of lies and misrepresentations from start to finish. SIGH. As you know, and as this "reporter" blatantly ignores, a Vatican official denied that Fatima is becoming an "interfaith shrine" and that was reported in the main British Catholic newspaper. Neither Father Guerra nor this alleged conference with Vatican-criticized Father Dupuis are infallible teachers of the Church's magisterium. I think their arguments that Fatima supports ecumenism is a little weak, but they're entitled to their opinion, and after all, Fatima is a PRIVATE revelation that we don't even half to believe in. As always it seems with Lefebvrist authors, the Church's effort at ecumenism is completely misrepresented. The Church has never reversed the teaching of "extra ecclesiam". The Church has never taught that one cannot be invisibly linked to the visible Church. St. Paul in the letter to the Romans says that pagans may be saved if they follow their consciences. True ecumenism does not mean compromising or negotiating the truths of the faith, but means engaging in respectful dialogue that identifies what is common to two different faiths while acknowledging where there are disagreements. Religious relativism and syncretism have been condemned by the so-called "Post-conciliar" authorities (which are really simply the legitimate authorities of the Church who are being so rudely insulted and demeaned by that name-calling). It has never been an article of faith that there can never be any inter-faith ecumenical activities. So long as one is not compromising the truths of the faith and keeps to the true and not the false vision of ecumenism, then, in accordance with the wise guidelines that the Church authorities have decreed, there should not be a problem.

[Unam Sanctam]

Rome is in the process of inventing a new religion by blurring what is distinct in Catholicism.

This Father Guerra fellow is not "Rome", and "Rome" is doing no such thing. Your lies and mean-spirited attacks on the Holy Father are endless.

[Dajjal]

Our Lady of Fatima ping

[Land of the Irish]

So long as one is not compromising the truths of the faith and keeps to the true and not the false vision of ecumenism

That's the problem; they are compromising the truths of the faith, e.g., Kaspar, et al.

[Dajjal]

Sanctuary of Fatima
Church of The Most Holy Trinity
Designed by A. N. Tombazis and Associates, Architects
Polydroso - Athens, Greece





Model plans for the interfaith shrine to be
constructed in the Fatima Square, the site
where Our Lady appeared in 1917.

[Dajjal]

The Spirit of Assisi comes to Fatima

[Unam Sanctam]

Kasper is not the Pope. Any misdeeds of Kasper does not excuse your disobedience of the Pope.

[harbingr]

'St. Paul in the letter to the Romans says that 'pagans may be saved if they follow their consciences'. True ecumenism does not mean compromising or negotiating the truths of the faith, but means engaging in respectful dialogue that identifies what is common to two different faiths while acknowledging where there are disagreements. '

Hmmm...'scuse moi, but does this mean that IslamoFascist Homicide bombers can be saved because they are following their consciences and observing the dictate of their hateful 'moon god', Allah??
...and JPII kisses Allah's hateful screed-from-satan called the Koran??

(where in the Bible does it describe drunken lascivious bachanals in Paradise as a reward for killing innocent infidels...??? I guess I jes dont get that ecuManiacal stuff very good...)

[Unam Sanctam]

Their true consciences containing the law of God written on their hearts.

Romans, Chapter 2:
...
12 All who sin outside the law will also perish without reference to it, and all who sin under the law will be judged in accordance with it.

13 For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather, those who observe the law will be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law.

15 They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them

16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus.

[PFKEY]

I've been asking many questions recently on the Catholic threads and I would like to respectfully ask another.

For all the controversial issues concerning the Catholic faith does the Bishop of Rome address them in any authoritative way?

Does the controversy just rage on and on or does the Pope address them in order to stave off division?

[harbingr]

'Their true consciences containing the law of God written on their hearts. '
Romans, Chapter 2:

I don't understand...Please answer Plainly...

Are you saying that the Homicidal Islamic bombers are saved or not???

[Unam Sanctam]

Please read St. Paul, not me. Does the law of God sanction suicide bombing? I don't think so. Thos people are not following the true conscience that God has implanted in their hearts.

[TradicalRC]

We are all multiculturalists now.

Just as the "progressives" have replaced American culture with multiculturalism in the secular world, they have replaced Catholic culture with a religious multiculturalism.

My wife and I attended a series of talks at our church by a priest who traveled around giving these seminars. The first night he told the old chestnut about the woman who cut the turkey in half because her mother always did it that way, who did it because HER mother always did it that way, who did it because she didn't own a pot big enough for a whole bird. Progressives LOVE this anecdote, it neatly points out how silly traditions are.

He told a Bhuddist story, then he told a Hindu story, then he read a poem based on Native American mythology. Not once did he say anything by a Catholic monk, theologian, mystic, Saint or Church father.

The series went on for four nights, we didn't bother going back.

Welcome to the Brave New World of Roman Catholicism.

[Maximilian]

Kasper is not the Pope. Any misdeeds of Kasper does not excuse your disobedience of the Pope.

Wrong. Kasper was appointed by the pope to one of the highest and the single most visible position in the Vatican. He serves at the pleasure of the pope, and he speaks on behalf of the pope. If the pope doesn't believe as Kasper does that the Jews have their own salvific covenant, then he should speak out and say so, and he should have long ago dismissed Kasper.

And let's also point out that Kasper's predecessor wasn't any better. Kasper is merely carrying out the will of the pope which has been reflected in many appointments, actions and statements.

[ArrogantBustard]

Does the controversy just rage on and on or does the Pope address them in order to stave off division?

The Pope has the authority, with the aid of the Holy Spirit, to definitively answer controversies of doctrine, dogma, and faith. Most (?) recently, the question of ordaining women to the Presbyterate has been definitively answered. (The answer is "no".) However, he does not necessarily answer all questions in a manner which all would consider timely. Nor is he required to. But when he does answer, that's the end of the question. Roma locuta. Causa finita est.

[Tantumergo]

You have freepmail

[fortunecookie]

This Father Guerra fellow is not "Rome", and "Rome" is doing no such thing. Your lies and mean-spirited attacks on the Holy Father are endless.

Thank heavens he's not Rome! But it seems like there is a giant power struggle - perhaps foretold by St. John Bosco or Sr. Lucia, herself - of those in Vatican and close to the Pope (if in proximity, not theology) between those who wish to uphold and defend Catholicism and those who wish to destroy it from within. This just seems to be another of those 'modernisations' that tear down rather than build up. Maybe that struggle has always existed to some extent, but it seems especially virulent now.

I had always thought I might someday visit Fatima, but now?