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1 posted on 02/03/2004 5:59:39 AM PST by NYer
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No mention is made of the 2000 declaration "Dominus Iesus" on "The Uniqueness and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church," or of John Paul II's repeated rejection of this faulty view of ecumenism.

1.  The Lord Jesus, before ascending into heaven, commanded his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to the whole world and to baptize all nations: “Go into the whole world and proclaim the Gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mk 16:15-16); “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the world” (Mt 28:18-20; cf. Lk 24:46-48; Jn 17:18,20,21; Acts 1:8).

"DOMINUS IESUS"
DECLARATION ON THE UNICITY AND SALVIFIC UNIVERSALITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH

2 posted on 02/03/2004 6:05:27 AM PST by NYer (Ad Jesum per Mariam)
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These jokers have no intention of reunification. Fellay and Williamson think they're going to bring Rome to heel.

Don't be surprised if the next Pope cuts them loose...permanently.

3 posted on 02/03/2004 6:08:00 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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In his 1988 apostolic letter "Ecclesia Dei," John Paul II stressed the "unlawful" ordination of bishops within the fraternity on the part of Archbishop Lefebvre, which constituted "a schismatic act."

At least these folks have the courtesy of being straight forward in their beliefs. They are wrong, but they do not hide their convictions. The AmChurch dissenters should follow their lead and openly state their dissent and heresy instead of pretending to be loyal Catholics.

5 posted on 02/03/2004 6:18:25 AM PST by johnb2004
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The letter presents a 47-page document entitled "From Ecumenism to Silent Apostasy: 25 Years of Pontificate" ("De l’oecuménisme à l’apostasie silencieuse, 25 ans de pontificat").

First, the very title of this letter shows that the SSPXers are accusing the Pope of apostasy, which in essence is the same as a charge of heresy, which they claim they are not doing. Second, it is unjust and ridiculous to charge someone with "silent" apostasy. If one does not have any teaching of heresy and any overt evidence of apostasy, then it is simply a slanderous smear to charge someone with this.

The document interprets the position of John Paul II and other Church figures on ecumenism as a sign of the loss of the Catholic Church's own identity by putting it on the same level with Christian denominations of other confessions.

No mention is made of the 2000 declaration "Dominus Iesus" on "The Uniqueness and Salvific Universality of Jesus Christ and the Church," or of John Paul II's repeated rejection of this faulty view of ecumenism.

Precisely so. Thus the SSPX continues its total and malicious mischaraterization of the Pope's ecumenical actions, treating ecumenism per se as wrong as opposed to mistaken understandings of it.

In his 1988 apostolic letter "Ecclesia Dei," John Paul II stressed the "unlawful" ordination of bishops within the fraternity on the part of Archbishop Lefebvre, which constituted "a schismatic act."

And yet we are told again and again on this forum that SSPX is not in schism, and that the Vatican does not hold them to be such. And we are told again and again that it is "necessary" for the faith to be disobedient to the "unorthodox" Pope because some disciplinary matters relating to the liturgy have changed since the Vatican II Council.

9 posted on 02/03/2004 6:37:51 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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**Even though John Paul II is keeping daily public engagements, the letter's signatories explain that "because of the aggravated state of health of the Holy Father, we have not written to him directly."**

Huh? When I was sick, I could still read. I'm not understanding this statement. Seems like non-thinking to me.

Example, even though I may have the flu -- I can still function as a human if I must.
21 posted on 02/03/2004 7:35:34 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Here it is, with all the offending posts and responses to those posts pulled. Play nice, y'all.
56 posted on 02/04/2004 8:28:30 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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