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The anti-Catholicism of the "National Catholic Reporter"

Posted on 01/28/2004 12:46:44 PM PST by heyheyhey

In my opinion, the NCR (different from the National Catholic Register and from the Catholic World Report) appears to be classic type of a wolf in sheep's clothing. It is the most anti-Catholic weekly publication that I know, and yet it continues pretending to be "Catholic." The evidence of NCR's anti-Catholic and anti-Christian agenda is somewhat camouflaged, so let it be dug up and brought to daylight in this thread.

- Why, and who cares? Under normal circumstances I couldn't care less, but very many American priests and religious read the NCR, and it has poisonously influenced a generation or two of priests. When we see the sorry state of affairs in our Church we should know, for our own protection, where the devil dwells. Many screwy things (most of all the disdain for the Teaching Magisterium) originated and/or have been, or continue to be, sponsored by the NCR.

There is only one FReeper, as far as I know, vigorously defending the NCR, so he is rare and dear - let's be respectful to him.


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
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To: sinkspur
Just as the government has a duty to control/expose danger to a society, the Church too, does have a duty to expose NCR, as Bishop Helmsing has so courageously done so.

36 years ago. It appears to have failed.

Quite the contrary. All the heretics throughout history will remain condemned as such. It's your prerogative to join them however.

The Church will condemn Posions put out by NCR till Kingdom comes, regardless of however popular they may get.

LOL!!! And your "ilk" is a danger to due process in the Church.

I hate to burst your bubble sinky. The whole slouth of loophole mentality canonists will also go down the tubes in time.

The majority of priests observe God's Law. They have no fear and willing to suffer for the sake of the Kingdom.

It is those malefactors such as your ilk that want to hide behind "criminal protection", because they ARE criminals.

181 posted on 03/26/2004 5:45:10 PM PST by m4629
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To: m4629
It is those malefactors such as your ilk that want to hide behind "criminal protection", because they ARE criminals.

If you have some specific criminal activity with which to accuse me, please produce it.

Otherwise, you might consider pulling back on the hysterics, m.

Due Process is guaranteed in Church Law, and has been for a hundred years.

I suspect you'd deny due process in American Law as well, which makes you a danger to society.

182 posted on 03/26/2004 5:49:36 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: m4629
The whole slouth of loophole mentality.

Just thought you'd like to know that there is no such word as "slouth."

183 posted on 03/26/2004 5:53:53 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur; NYer; johnb2004; saradippity; BlackElk; american colleen; GirlShortstop; Polycarp IV; ...
If you have some specific criminal activity with which to accuse me, please produce it.

Yeah, impersonation of a catholic "deacon".

It was so sad and shameful that a couple of Prottys beat you to a pulp because you don't know what the teaching of the Church is, as usual, in this case, on Unbaptised Infants, and your most pathetic suggestion to IGNORE "nihil obstat". What a joke !

You are right in that Most Catholic authors and theologians today no longer bother with it. because you can't get "nihil obstat" for teaching Heresies.

I am satisfied pretty well all the catholics here don't take you seriously.

184 posted on 03/26/2004 6:20:45 PM PST by m4629
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To: m4629
It was so sad and shameful that a couple of Prottys beat you to a pulp because you don't know what the teaching of the Church is, as usual, in this case, on Unbaptised Infants, and your most pathetic suggestion to IGNORE "nihil obstat". What a joke

The Catholic Church has declared no infallible teaching on unbaptised infants!

In the particular case, a priest had issued a nihil obstat over the suggestion that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell.

Technically, since there's no infallible teaching of the Church on the fate of unbaptized infants, that nihil obstat could be issued.

Realistically, however, to teach that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell is ridiculous.

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

185 posted on 03/26/2004 6:28:18 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Salve Regina
Salve, if you mention someone in a post, it is courteous to ping them to that post.

I'll excuse you this time; you may be drying your nails.

187 posted on 03/26/2004 6:31:17 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: NWU Army ROTC
The lead horse in that brigade is a "professional administrator" who lives in Racine. Evidently at one time she also lived in Ohio and worked for one of the Bell utilities.

Now sells her professional administrative capabilities over the internet.

She and her other eight (?) nags got more coverage from the ever-left-leaning Milwaukee paper than the drunk we have as AG's "offer" to reimburse the State for 10% of her stolen mileage on our vehicle.
188 posted on 03/26/2004 6:43:54 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur; OrthodoxPresbyterian; drstevej
In the particular case, a priest had issued a nihil obstat over the suggestion that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell.

Realistically, however, to teach that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell is ridiculous.

You are a real joke!

OrthodoxPresbyterian did not say what you said. You can't even quote accurately, or that you deliberately CHANGED the words and jump to your own conclusion because you really don't know what the Church teaches.

This is what OrthodoxPresbyterian quoted EXACTLY ..... "We Must Conclude That Unbaptized Infants Do Not Enjoy The Beatific Vision In Heaven" -- Hey, folks, as your friendly neighborhood Roman Catholic Vicar-General... howzabout I stamp this with a Nihil Obstat, my authoritative Magisterial declaration that this Teaching is "totally free from error"?!

"Do Not Enjoy The Beatific Vision In Heaven" does NOT necessarily mean YOUR INTERPRETATION of "souls of unbaptized infants are in hell."

It is YOU who don't know the teachings of the Church, while OrthodoxPresbyterian had quoted properly the VG taught is True.

I suggest you go see Bishop Bruskewitz first before embarrassing yourself further, sinky.

189 posted on 03/26/2004 6:47:39 PM PST by m4629
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To: sinkspur
Sexism is unbecoming a regular regurgitator of NCR.
190 posted on 03/26/2004 6:47:48 PM PST by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: m4629
It is YOU who don't know the teachings of the Church, while OrthodoxPresbyterian had quoted properly the VG taught is True.

Does the Church teach that unbaptized infants don't enjoy the Beatific Vision?

And, if one doesn't enjoy the Beatific Vision, how can that be anything but hell, since we, in the words of St. Paul, "are made for Christ, and our souls are restless until they rest in Him"?

You're are parsing words, m. In fact, OP was making light of some theologian who proposed this preposterous theory. Maybe you actually believe it. But, you cannot cite for me that the Church has made an infallible declaration, (or even a non-infallible, definitive declaration) on the fate of unbapized infants.

191 posted on 03/26/2004 6:53:54 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: m4629
Do unbaptised infants in limbo get the black & white version of the Beatific Vision?
192 posted on 03/26/2004 6:57:48 PM PST by drstevej
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To: sinkspur
***in the words of St. Paul, "are made for Christ, and our souls are restless until they rest in Him"? ***

St. Paul???

St. Augustine's Confessions (Book 1, Chapter 1), "Thou movest us to delight in praising Thee, for Thou has formed us for Thyself, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." (Translated by J.G. Pilkington, Basic Writings of Saint Augustine, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1980.)
193 posted on 03/26/2004 7:01:59 PM PST by drstevej
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To: m4629
BTW, since there is no definitive teaching of the Church on the fate of unbaptized infants, I agreed with OP that his theory of some "special action of the Holy Spirit" that puts them in heaven was as good as any.

The only thing we have to believe about the fate of any soul is that those the Church declares to be saints are with God.

194 posted on 03/26/2004 7:03:07 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: m4629
because you can't get "nihil obstat" for teaching Heresies.

Yes you can if you go bishop shopping (or fabricate one - who bothers to check?).

I think that Father Gobbi's book has one, and there was one years ago by a charismatic ministry who came up here from New Orleans that had an imprimatur by Cardinal Sin. And where would he be? Somewhere in SE Asia. Why would a group based out of New Orleans get one from a bishop in Asia?

Our local religious bookstore carried it for a time, and I apologize that I do not remember the title (new age grapes on the cover I think) nor can I come up with that ministry. It was a girl named Annie (I think) who travelled with a couple of priests, and their "charism" was knocking people flat on their backs in the sanctuary.

I don't know if there are any heresies per se in Father Gobbi's book, but one of his "meditations" consisted of a message confirming Medjugorje which was not approved by the church. A book with an imprimatur (maybe that isn't the same as nihil obstat) that references an apparition not approved by the church is heretical imo, but it all depends on what the meaning of heresy is. I almost typed hershey :-).

195 posted on 03/26/2004 7:04:11 PM PST by Aliska
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To: drstevej
Augustine, yes.
196 posted on 03/26/2004 7:04:40 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Does the Church teach that unbaptized infants don't enjoy the Beatific Vision?

YES. The Church teaches EXACTLY that. But of course you don't know it, since you are no "catholic", much less a "deacon".

And you won't find this solemn teaching in the NCR either. Don't you forge it.

I'll give you a hint where to find this solemn teaching before you go bother Bishop Bruskewitz.

"Unbaptised infants do not enjoy Beatific Vision in Heaven" could be found in the teaching of Second Council of Florence, Council of Trent, Aquinas, Trent Catechism, St. Pius X Catechism, The Douay Catechism of 1649 , and various legitimate catholic teachings that you probably don't read or learn from.

That's your homework for the evening. Go get it before embarrassing yourself further.

The last I heard, used trash paper pays about 75 cents a pound. You may be rich with your stash of NCR.

197 posted on 03/26/2004 7:04:45 PM PST by m4629
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To: m4629
Yeah, impersonation of a catholic "deacon".

I suspect that as well, but given his need to defend moderate-liberalism, it actually makes sense inspite of itself that a pretentious, infinitive splitting sophist would be part of the modern Catholic Church, sadly.

198 posted on 03/26/2004 7:09:11 PM PST by PeoplesRep_of_LA (I am no longer afraid to publicly say I love Jesus, thanks Mel)
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To: m4629
The Church teaches EXACTLY that

Please cite specific passages. You made the assertion that it is infallible teaching. It is your responsibility to prove it.

If you don't, which I suspect you will not, then all the lurkers here are free to believe whatever they want about the fate of unbaptized infants.

199 posted on 03/26/2004 7:10:36 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
An understandable mistake. Paul and Augustine were Calvinists.
200 posted on 03/26/2004 7:10:55 PM PST by drstevej
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