Posted on 01/28/2004 12:46:44 PM PST by heyheyhey
36 years ago. It appears to have failed.
Quite the contrary. All the heretics throughout history will remain condemned as such. It's your prerogative to join them however.
The Church will condemn Posions put out by NCR till Kingdom comes, regardless of however popular they may get.
LOL!!! And your "ilk" is a danger to due process in the Church.
I hate to burst your bubble sinky. The whole slouth of loophole mentality canonists will also go down the tubes in time.
The majority of priests observe God's Law. They have no fear and willing to suffer for the sake of the Kingdom.
It is those malefactors such as your ilk that want to hide behind "criminal protection", because they ARE criminals.
If you have some specific criminal activity with which to accuse me, please produce it.
Otherwise, you might consider pulling back on the hysterics, m.
Due Process is guaranteed in Church Law, and has been for a hundred years.
I suspect you'd deny due process in American Law as well, which makes you a danger to society.
Just thought you'd like to know that there is no such word as "slouth."
Yeah, impersonation of a catholic "deacon".
It was so sad and shameful that a couple of Prottys beat you to a pulp because you don't know what the teaching of the Church is, as usual, in this case, on Unbaptised Infants, and your most pathetic suggestion to IGNORE "nihil obstat". What a joke !
You are right in that Most Catholic authors and theologians today no longer bother with it. because you can't get "nihil obstat" for teaching Heresies.
I am satisfied pretty well all the catholics here don't take you seriously.
The Catholic Church has declared no infallible teaching on unbaptised infants!
In the particular case, a priest had issued a nihil obstat over the suggestion that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell.
Technically, since there's no infallible teaching of the Church on the fate of unbaptized infants, that nihil obstat could be issued.
Realistically, however, to teach that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell is ridiculous.
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
I'll excuse you this time; you may be drying your nails.
Realistically, however, to teach that the souls of unbaptized infants are in hell is ridiculous.
You are a real joke!
OrthodoxPresbyterian did not say what you said. You can't even quote accurately, or that you deliberately CHANGED the words and jump to your own conclusion because you really don't know what the Church teaches.
This is what OrthodoxPresbyterian quoted EXACTLY ..... "We Must Conclude That Unbaptized Infants Do Not Enjoy The Beatific Vision In Heaven" -- Hey, folks, as your friendly neighborhood Roman Catholic Vicar-General... howzabout I stamp this with a Nihil Obstat, my authoritative Magisterial declaration that this Teaching is "totally free from error"?!
"Do Not Enjoy The Beatific Vision In Heaven" does NOT necessarily mean YOUR INTERPRETATION of "souls of unbaptized infants are in hell."
It is YOU who don't know the teachings of the Church, while OrthodoxPresbyterian had quoted properly the VG taught is True.
I suggest you go see Bishop Bruskewitz first before embarrassing yourself further, sinky.
Does the Church teach that unbaptized infants don't enjoy the Beatific Vision?
And, if one doesn't enjoy the Beatific Vision, how can that be anything but hell, since we, in the words of St. Paul, "are made for Christ, and our souls are restless until they rest in Him"?
You're are parsing words, m. In fact, OP was making light of some theologian who proposed this preposterous theory. Maybe you actually believe it. But, you cannot cite for me that the Church has made an infallible declaration, (or even a non-infallible, definitive declaration) on the fate of unbapized infants.
The only thing we have to believe about the fate of any soul is that those the Church declares to be saints are with God.
Yes you can if you go bishop shopping (or fabricate one - who bothers to check?).
I think that Father Gobbi's book has one, and there was one years ago by a charismatic ministry who came up here from New Orleans that had an imprimatur by Cardinal Sin. And where would he be? Somewhere in SE Asia. Why would a group based out of New Orleans get one from a bishop in Asia?
Our local religious bookstore carried it for a time, and I apologize that I do not remember the title (new age grapes on the cover I think) nor can I come up with that ministry. It was a girl named Annie (I think) who travelled with a couple of priests, and their "charism" was knocking people flat on their backs in the sanctuary.
I don't know if there are any heresies per se in Father Gobbi's book, but one of his "meditations" consisted of a message confirming Medjugorje which was not approved by the church. A book with an imprimatur (maybe that isn't the same as nihil obstat) that references an apparition not approved by the church is heretical imo, but it all depends on what the meaning of heresy is. I almost typed hershey :-).
YES. The Church teaches EXACTLY that. But of course you don't know it, since you are no "catholic", much less a "deacon".
And you won't find this solemn teaching in the NCR either. Don't you forge it.
I'll give you a hint where to find this solemn teaching before you go bother Bishop Bruskewitz.
"Unbaptised infants do not enjoy Beatific Vision in Heaven" could be found in the teaching of Second Council of Florence, Council of Trent, Aquinas, Trent Catechism, St. Pius X Catechism, The Douay Catechism of 1649 , and various legitimate catholic teachings that you probably don't read or learn from.
That's your homework for the evening. Go get it before embarrassing yourself further.
The last I heard, used trash paper pays about 75 cents a pound. You may be rich with your stash of NCR.
I suspect that as well, but given his need to defend moderate-liberalism, it actually makes sense inspite of itself that a pretentious, infinitive splitting sophist would be part of the modern Catholic Church, sadly.
Please cite specific passages. You made the assertion that it is infallible teaching. It is your responsibility to prove it.
If you don't, which I suspect you will not, then all the lurkers here are free to believe whatever they want about the fate of unbaptized infants.
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