[Cronos]

"If you can't convince them, confuse them". That seems to be Havoc's philosophy. Sheesh Havoc, you don't provide any proof for your propaganda statements and expect people to believe you have something worthwhile??

[Havoc]

My philosophy - no. I have no philosophy. I have Scripture and I have Christ as my Master. All I'm doing is showing the absence of any real proof on your own side. I'm not offering proof, just showing how simple it is to plausibly shoot you down with nothing more than scripture and common sense. You quote these "early fathers" of yours on Peter's presence in Rome yet there is no proof these men themselves were christian - much less that they had any direct evidence or knowledge that Peter ever went there. In court this is what is legally called heresay. And absent proper support for how a person comes to make statements that are otherwise unsupportable, any attourney worth his graduation papers would shred this and have it thrown out straitaway. Quoting people is not scholarship.
Quoting people who know something and can back it up is scholarship.