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To: supercat
Consider also human genetic variation. The Bible suggests that all humans are decendants of Noah and his wife

On this point, you appear to be in error. The sons of Noah, as well as their wives, were supposedly on the ark. Of course, those sons were all decendants of Noah, but the wives would not have been.

Interestingly enough, this later point would be an easy way to prove or disprove the Noah myth, since if it were actually the case then an examination of genetic drift on the Y chromosome would show a single male ancestor far more recent than the single female ("mitochondrial eve") ancestor that is known to have existed about 170,000 years ago. This would be because all the males in that population would have Noah's Y chromosome DNA, but there would be four distinct sets of (older) mitochondrial DNA.

4 posted on 01/23/2004 12:52:30 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Technogeeb
[The Bible suggests that all humans are decendants of Noah and his wife]

On this point, you appear to be in error. The sons of Noah, as well as their wives, were supposedly on the ark. Of course, those sons were all decendants of Noah, but the wives would not have been.

Unless you're going to suggest that somehow the son's wives managed to subsequently have children with men other than Noah or his sons (or their offspring), the original statement is entirely correct. All humans living today (or living in any generation beyond Noah's sons) would indeed be "decendants of Noah and his wife".

Any offspring of the wives would be the grandchildren of Noah and his wife, and thus still "descendants of Noah and his wife", and so would any of their children's children unto the Nth generation.

7 posted on 01/23/2004 2:25:30 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Technogeeb
RE:This would be because all the males in that population would have Noah's Y chromosome DNA, but there would be four distinct sets of (older) mitochondrial DNA

This article sort of speaks to that subject:

Chromosome Adam?

by Don Batten

First published in:
Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal 9(2):139–140, 1995

Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, via the egg, and has been checked for variations in the world-wide human population in an attempt to determine genetic ancestry and geographic location of human origins.1 From this approach came the idea of ‘African Eve’—the hypothesis that humans had a female parent, in Africa, and at a time so recent as to surprise most evolutionists. Maryellen Ruvulo, using the ‘molecular clock’ hypothesis, estimated that modern humans diverged from a common ancestor between 55,000 and 455,000 years ago.2 Of course such age estimates depend on what rate the ‘clock’ is chosen to run at, and that is very much determined by uniformitarian assumptions about the age of the earth, so the molecular data are very much consistent with the Biblical model of human origins.3


In the 1970s, Haigh and Maynard Smith investigated the variation in human haemoglobin and concluded that the human species must have gone through a population bottleneck in the recent past, if most of the variants are due to neutral mutations (that is, mutations not subject to selection).4 Researchers at the University of Oregon Medical School pointed out that Noah’s flood would have provided such a bottleneck.5

Dorit et al. recently investigated the variation in a segment on the human Y-chromosome which is not subject to recombination, from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world.6 This DNA segment was chosen because it is inherited only from the father, and, being an intron, it is thought by evolutionists to be subject only to neutral mutations (not subject to selection), because it does not code for a protein. Introns are commonly regarded as ‘useless left-overs’ of evolution, so that changes in them would not affect the viability of the individual and would not be selected against. Of course the proposition that any DNA is ‘useless’ or ‘junk’ is highly questionable.7

Much to the surprise of the researchers, they found no variation in the intron, which consists of 729 base pairs. They then estimated how long the human kind could have been around since its origin, with no variation in such a DNA segment, and estimated between 27,000 and 270,000 years, depending on what assumptions were used in the model of population genetics. The 95% confidence intervals for both estimates included zero years. In other words, a date of origin consistent with Biblical chronology is within the confidence limits, even with the evolutionary assumptions employed. Because of the lack of variation (polymorphism) the researchers were unable to draw any conclusions about geographic origin of mankind.

The multi-regional models of human origin favoured by many evolutionists, such as Wolpoff, are not consistent with these data. The Biblical account of a recent origin with a single pair of ancestors, Adam and Eve, and/or a genetic bottleneck at the time of the Flood are consistent with the above findings.

References

  1. Gibbons, A., 1993. Mitochondrial Eve refuses to die. Science, 259(5099)1249–1250. Return to text.

  2. Gibbons, Ref. 1, p.1249. Return to text.

  3. Wieland, C., 1993. African ‘Eve’ revived. CEN Tech. J., 7(2):201. Return to text.

  4. Haigh, J. and Maynard Smith, J., 1972. Population size and protein variation in man. Genetical Research 19:73–89. Return to text.

  5. Harkins, R.N., Stenzel, P. and Black, J.A. Noah’s haemoglobin. Nature 241:226. Return to text.

  6. Dorit, R.L., Akashi, H. and Gilbert, W. 1995. Absence of polymorphism at the ZFY locus on the human Y chromosome. Science 268:1183–1185. Return to text.

  7. Junk moves up in the world. CEN Tech. J., 8(2):125. Return to text.


8 posted on 01/23/2004 5:39:59 AM PST by Gil4
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