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To: Gamecock
That's right! Jesus calls "the Rock" of his church Satan....
Just one of those things that meake me go Hmmmm.


Now what did Peter do that was so horrible? Was there some awful sin committed by Peter? Or was Peter guilty of not yet comprehending the sacrifice required of Jesus? Did Peter unwittingly tempt Jesus with "the things of men"? Clearly, Peter, in his desire to steer Jesus away from His death, was still thinking like a man. The "get behind me" rebuke indicates that Peter must learn to follow Christ (cf. Mark 8:33-38) Indeed, Peter had yet to learn that to follow Christ, he had to deny himself (a lesson devastatingly driven home in Mt 26:75). Jesus is rebuking Peter for thinking like a man (in effect, like Satan), and not as a follower of Jesus. Peter, as the designated Rock, has many lessons to learn before he is finally given the helm.
737 posted on 01/24/2004 9:48:01 PM PST by polemikos (Ecce Agnus Dei)
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To: polemikos
Which of course must be considered.

An alternate thesis is that in the verse I provided Christ is clearly speaking to Peter, and in the earlier verses no distinction is made once he makes the observation that Peter is "peeble." The case can just as easily be made that Christ was referring to himself as the Rock....
738 posted on 01/24/2004 9:52:02 PM PST by Gamecock (It is better to think of church in the ale-house than to think of the ale-house in church. M Luther)
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To: polemikos; Gamecock
Now what did Peter do that was so horrible?

Well we know that there was no Papal infallibility in the new church right? That was a later "discovery"

802 posted on 01/25/2004 11:10:49 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: polemikos
Peter, as the designated Rock, has many lessons to learn before he is finally given the helm.

When was Peter finally given the helm? I am sure you won't say it was John 21, because we all know Jesus didn't address this "Rock" as Peter, rather as "Simon, son of John". Jesus repeated this three times for emphasis. There is no question the man Jesus was "Simon, son of John". Do you wonder why? No "Rock", but "Simon".

Food for thought:

Remember, in this man Peter, the rock. He’s the one, you see, who on being questioned by the Lord about who the disciples said he was, replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On hearing this, Jesus said to him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you’...’You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15 - 19). In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock. Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, ‘They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; but the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor 10:4). So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ.

"Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter’s confession. What is Peter’s confession? ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ There’s the rock for you, there’s the foundation, there’s where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer (John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327).

835 posted on 01/25/2004 12:37:35 PM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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