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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Have you ever monitored the Neverending Story?

Nope, not even familiar with it.

461 posted on 01/23/2004 7:10:27 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Virginia history is great.

My Huguenot side (dad's) married the Wesley Methodist Circuit Rider side (mom's). ;-)

Peace.
462 posted on 01/23/2004 7:12:38 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Virginia Senator John ChaChingChester is TAXING my nerves.)
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To: All
Post #448: And the whiney ones to quit their whining. Right?

Don't know of any whiney ones. Just allegations of whining.

463 posted on 01/23/2004 7:12:50 PM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
would you kindly provide a response for understanding, to my post #325 (as related to my #310)

thanks
464 posted on 01/23/2004 7:15:50 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: White Mountain
River in Egypt!
465 posted on 01/23/2004 7:16:00 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I understand what you're saying regarding the word in question and generally agree.

But I think context is important (which is why you're going to be exhausted in no time) and sometimes "jarring" is good.

I favor the term "woosie." It hits the same notes, but is not so discordant.

466 posted on 01/23/2004 7:16:23 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
In response to one person using the word pussy, that was not an attack on you.

It was harsh language no doubt.....but is rough language (in addition to cursing) now banned with your addition to the forum?

I don't believe so, but if so, I am in trouble and I personally think it would be wrong to ask us to tone down the language as long as it is not a direct personal attack or cussing.
467 posted on 01/23/2004 7:17:33 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: White Mountain
Hopefully I have never been considered one of the button happy people.

Don't hope too hard, some things are getting a little obvious.

But a civil, cordial discussion of LDS beliefs - and only if you bring the subject up - will still involve pointing out problematic areas, such as the complete lack of archaeological evidence of any of the accounts in the Book of Mormon. And the DNA tests which show that native American Indians are descended from Chinese/Asiatic ancestors and not of semitic ones.

If the subject of inaccurate translations arises, we can discuss quite civilly the Book of Abraham.

All this should be done in the spirit of academic polite discussion for the edification of any that are interested in learning the facts about the subject, as I'm sure you'll agree. No personal attacks, just the facts, as the mods say.

468 posted on 01/23/2004 7:18:36 PM PST by xJones
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To: drstevej
The thought crosses my mind that basic civility includes and encompasses responding directly to a poster if one wishes to reply at all to a post. Posters who refuse to do so are stirring up contention IMO. What do you think doc?
470 posted on 01/23/2004 7:20:16 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: rwfromkansas
Well said, RW.

You've proven yourself to be a young man who knows the value of the well-chosen word.

471 posted on 01/23/2004 7:20:38 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: A.J.Armitage; polemikos
Tell me, if you would, why are there pro-choice Catholics?

If I may volunteer an answer; It's a statistical inevitability. Aberrations of this order are bound to occur within a sampling of any billion or so people.

472 posted on 01/23/2004 7:20:42 PM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was.")
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To: Revelation 911; Sidebar Moderator
I've seen threads regarding the congressional testimony of Maj. Carleton regarding the infamous MMM last exactly 3 posts. The was no editiorializing nor comment - yet they got whacked will these now be tolerated - or will pro-LDS be the only ones that survive?

That's a good question.

473 posted on 01/23/2004 7:21:26 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Barnacle
If I may volunteer an answer; It's a statistical inevitability. Aberrations of this order are bound to occur within a sampling of any billion or so people.

From what I see, it's more than a few aberrations. But anyway, why are there bound to be some?

474 posted on 01/23/2004 7:25:08 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Revelation 911
I've not seen any of the threads you mention in #325, but if I do I imagine I would follow Lead Moderator's lead.
475 posted on 01/23/2004 7:25:26 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: polemikos
***Ecce Anus Dei***

Should your tag line read: Ecce Agnus Dei? Or Ecce Annus Dei?

As is it seems risque. But I am not a Latin scholar.
476 posted on 01/23/2004 7:26:27 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Revelation 911
Revelation 911 Since Sep 28, 2001

What I want to know is; what time of day did you register? I mean, just which one of us has seniority?

477 posted on 01/23/2004 7:28:18 PM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was.")
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To: rwfromkansas; lockeliberty
I didn't take it as an attack on me. I actually read fairly well, most of the time. :)

I've spent most of the last two days letting all you folks "check me out", as it were. Every now and then I take the notion to check out one of you. I imagine lockeliberty is away from the forum now, which is why I've heard from so many others in his stead. That's not a problem, either.

At the time I read the post, the sudden appearance of the word at the end of things caught me unawares. Obviously I could have phrased my comments in a more congenial tone (hmm... maybe some of you are having a greater effect on me than I am having on you...), but all I really wanted to know was why that word was chosen when so many others would have conveyed the same information.

On the other hand, I doubt very much that I am the only denizen of Free Republic who might take offense at the word in question; in fact, I know I'm not. It's a word featured in infrequent abuse reports.

478 posted on 01/23/2004 7:33:17 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: A.J.Armitage; Revelation 911
I'm not familiar with MAJ Carleton and the MMM, so I can't answer the question.
479 posted on 01/23/2004 7:34:27 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: conservonator
What ever happened to the Popular Peoples Front?

He's over there....

Splitter!!!

480 posted on 01/23/2004 7:34:36 PM PST by Snuffington
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