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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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To: Gamecock
Hefe Def. - A German word meaning "yeast". Used mostly in conjunction with wheat (weiss) beers to denote that the beer is bottled or kegged with the yeast in suspension (hefe-weiss). These beers are cloudy, frothy and, very refreshing.

Yeah, now I know what you mean. I usually call them weiss.

As in, "That Franklin was a weiss man."

441 posted on 01/23/2004 6:43:53 PM PST by Barnacle ("It is as it was.")
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Just curious, are you a she or a he?

***Yes. And I questioned quasi-hot words until I quit hearing them. ***

This sure sounds like my mom!
442 posted on 01/23/2004 6:44:10 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't want to start that whole discussion here (I've heard all the arguments on both sides), but let me just say this.

ADD does exist. I have it. I have a child with it. Grades 2-4 Ritalin was a lifesaver. When he started hitting puberty, it stopped working. Dr. tried two other drugs, neither of which worked. I pulled the plug.

Like I said, Grades 2-4 it was a lifesaver. I don't think I'd do it again.

That's ALL I will say about it.
443 posted on 01/23/2004 6:44:45 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Virginia Senator John ChaChingChester is TAXING my nerves.)
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To: drstevej
Moderators have no sex. No sex life. No dreams. No time...
444 posted on 01/23/2004 6:46:00 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Your #419: it is not our desire to drive people away.

Agreed. We all want the gentle ones who have been driven away to come back, and the aggressive ones to cooperate and live by the rules of the forum.

Thanks for your help, and for all that you do.

445 posted on 01/23/2004 6:46:26 PM PST by White Mountain (By their fruits ye shall know them.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Then they should be called Abstinators.
446 posted on 01/23/2004 6:47:07 PM PST by drstevej
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To: Corin Stormhands
Well, MOST of mine were in Scotland, waiting for yours to arrive. 8~)
447 posted on 01/23/2004 6:47:08 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: White Mountain
***We all want the gentle ones who have been driven away to come back, and the aggressive ones to cooperate and live by the rules of the forum.***

And the whiney ones to quit their whining. Right?
448 posted on 01/23/2004 6:48:32 PM PST by drstevej
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To: jimt; P-Marlowe; CARepubGal
I would ask several former mormons to give you a more informative response via freepmail - you will find them both polite and reasoned

IMO - both upright Trinitarian Christians who believe in the divinity of Christ and soveriegn nature of God

449 posted on 01/23/2004 6:51:20 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Mine went from France to Germany then Holland. They fought with William of Orange against the Stuarts. Then they got the land grant in Virginia. (not far from where I live now)
450 posted on 01/23/2004 6:51:23 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Virginia Senator John ChaChingChester is TAXING my nerves.)
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To: polemikos
As it turns out on reexamination, the number is 21. The source, here, is the same one I already linked to. 19 is the number of Orthodox denominations (oops) and 13 is a typo.

(b) any reasonable final tally works for the purposes of my main argument,

Tell me, if you would, why are there pro-choice Catholics?

451 posted on 01/23/2004 6:53:37 PM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: White Mountain; Wrigley
The problem is the posts containing personal attacks and false accusations. They violate the rules of this forum, and the moderators deal with that as they see fit.

respectfully WM, I've seen threads regarding the congressional testimony of Maj. Carleton regarding the infamous MMM last exactly 3 posts. The was no editiorializing nor comment - yet they got whacked

will these now be tolerated - or will pro-LDS be the only ones that survive?

Im frankly skeptical by whose measure we judge "false attacks"

452 posted on 01/23/2004 6:56:26 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Sidebar Moderator
quasi-prude moderator

Prude is good. There should be more prudes around, especially in public places.

I still remember the bar of soap I got, just like Ralphie is "A Christmas Story" -- a nice, piquant, after-dinner flavor...

But colorful or emphatic language is a different story.

453 posted on 01/23/2004 7:01:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Thanks for the answer. You know more about it than I do. Glad for the happy resolution.
454 posted on 01/23/2004 7:04:39 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; drstevej
That is good news! Thanks!
455 posted on 01/23/2004 7:04:56 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
For the record my reasoning concerning the word in question is that it wouldn't surprise me to find more than a few adult women posters here who find it offensive. If I'm wrong on that, I can be so educated, although I would still prefer it not be used. Somehow it's so jarring on a religion forum, ya know?
456 posted on 01/23/2004 7:05:35 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: sinkspur; All
YOU'RE ALL DAMNED TO HELL!!!!
457 posted on 01/23/2004 7:07:50 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (2004: The Neocons vs. The Neocoms)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Somehow it's so jarring on a religion forum, ya know?

Have you ever monitored the Neverending Story?

458 posted on 01/23/2004 7:08:07 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: sinkspur; All
Oh, I'm sorry. I just re-read the post and realized that I'm not supposed to do that.
459 posted on 01/23/2004 7:09:25 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (2004: The Neocons vs. The Neocoms)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Cool. I love history. Virginia's an interesting place.

Our son almost went to Washington and Lee. But 9-11 hit, and I panicked and pulled the plug on long plane rides.

I'd probably make a lousy Huguenot.

460 posted on 01/23/2004 7:10:27 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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